Anyone know of a hot water limiter built into a handheld shower?

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  1. Nickle

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    Mom has Alzheimer's and can't telling when the water is just too hot. Currently the shower is outfitted with a handheld onto an old style Moen Shower controller (single handle - pressure and H & C mix). Does anyone know of a handheld that has antiscald buildin? I don't think it would be easy to swap out the old Moen controller. Thanks for looking.
     
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    I put a tempering valve on my mothers gas water heater to prevent scalding. That way she would have lot's of heated water, but I would also control the temperature output.

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    And this picture is a tempering valve on an electric water heater that was new, but not tempered. Someone else installed the heater, I installed the tempering valves.
     
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    Some shower valves can take an antiscald cartridge as an upgrade...then, it's a matter of ensuring that you've set the mechanical stop properly. You may need to change that seasonally, as the incoming cold water temperature can make the mix too cool in the winter if setup in the summer.

    I don't think any of the Moen valves, at least the older ones, have the flexibility that something like the Delta R10000 rough-in has...on that series, by buying a different trim package (which includes the cartridge), you have three choices of control:
    - standard single handle pressure balance
    - two handle, temperature and volume
    - two handle, thermostatic control and volume

    Maybe it's wise to consider updating the shower valve. There are remodel plates, if needed, that can cover a larger hole from the front, but if you can access things from the rear (if you're lucky, there's an access panel) if it's in another room or closet.

    Some of the older shower valves still had mechanical limiters in them which amounts to a cam or screw or whatever, that would prevent the handle from turning beyond a certain point...you might want to check that out...all of the new ones have a means to limit the max outlet temperature, and also help to prevent hot water surges caused by pressure changes like when someone flushes a toilet.
     
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    What others here have suggested are all good but be sure it's a thermostatic control valve is what you need, not a pressure balancing valve. Many will call both of these types as anti-scalding but they are not the same and work differently, so don't get confused. Here is a simply explanation how a these valves work.
    https://www.plumbingsupply.com/pressure-balance-vs-thermostatic-valves.html

    I was trying to find a Florida State statute on water temperature limits for assisted living centers. I think it is 105 degrees is the max and you be surprised how hot that can feel. Ideally and no budget constraints, installing a indirect water heater is ideal. It takes a thermostat, a circulator pump and some replumbing if possible to just connect it to the bathroom hot water line, so it can get pricey. Your main water heater or boiler that supplies hot water also heats the indirect water heater which is a 40 gallon storage tank. You set the thermostat to 100-105 degrees F for the storage tank and you'll have more than enough heated water for a shower and at a steady temperature. The valve can be on full hot position and it'd be safe.
     
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    I have assorted adapters on one of my vans for water Jetters

    Adapters go from IPS to hose male and female and for the electric Jeters I have "aerator" adapters the can go from IPS or quick-connect or IPS Male or female

    A temperating valve is NOT considered an anti-scald device as it is slow acting

    Turning down the temperature of a water heater below 140 deg the heater now becomes an incubator for bacteria to thrive

    Regarding the dishwasher, many have a heater to raise the temperature or have a sterilization setting like modern-day washing machines


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    I testified the water was too hot as it was over 110 DEG won the case

    Nursing home requires 105 DEG F.

    A few months later I testified the water was too cold to kill bacteria in another case and won both cases

    Knowing which code to use helps considerably when testifying


    CDC recommends your water heater temperature set at 120 degrees Fahrenheit. OSHA has a different hot water temperature recommendation. OSHA recommends you keep your water heater at 140 degrees Fahrenheit so your risk of being exposed to microorganisms and Legionella is reduced.
     
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    Is fast acting really a concern when the tempering valve is at the water heater?

    I fail to see the point in mentioning this since the main reason to place a tempering valve at the water heater is so that the temperature can be kept high enough yet be mixed with cold after leaving the HWT.
     
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    It does not look like the unit pictured on Amazon has threads on both ends but I went directly to cashacme.ca to pull their TAFR spec sheet and it looks like they have a model specifically made to go inline on the hand shower hose.
    https://www.cashacme.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/HG_TAFR-2014.pdf
     
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    The reason I have so many various connectors is some faucets have outside threads other have inside threads and having the ability to connect to several variations allows me to use an electric Jetter near the fixture rather than running a garden house throughout the apartment


    Most of the water jetting jobs inside a home are for the laundry room to remove detergent build-up along with lint or the kitchen sink with grease restricting the flow

    Laundry rooms are easy to connect to the HW hose bib kitchens are where adapters are needed.

    Showers are easy as we unscrew the showerhead and put an F x hose bib connector on
     
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    That just might be the easiest and cheapest solution. Now to find a place that sells it.
     
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    Thanks everyone for your suggestions.
     
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    This is a common misconception about mixing /tempering valves

    They are NOT considered anti-scald devices as they are slow to act

    I am on a case now where a healthcare worker was severely scalded because the water spiked to over 139 DEG F

    There is something called stacking which refers to the uppermost top of the water heater that the Aquastat cannot read the actual temperature as HW Rises and the aquastats probe is at the bottom of the tank


    A temperature under 140 DEG F allows bacteria to flourish Temperature over 105 deG F for the elderly or very young can cause severe scalding

    Point of use is the best protection
     

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    Not sure why you bring up stacking as a thermostatic mixing valve should in theory counteract stacking and should also allow 140 degree temperature setting to prevent bacteria. It purports to react to temperature and is not simply a proportioning mixing valve. I never claimed it to be an anti-scald device but should be a scald reducing device since the temperature of the hot water should be consistently lower than without one. As for being slow to act, just how slow are they?

    Are you saying that the following page is false advertising?
    https://www.watts.com/resources/references-tools/thermostatic-mixing-valves

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    The HW must PASS Through a tempering valve for it to make adjustments and this is how extremely hot water is allowed to pass during the first few seconds of flow


    https://www.brisbaneplumbinganddrainage.com.au/plumber-blog/difference-between-tmv-and-tempering-valve/#:~:text=3โ„ƒ +/-.-,What is the difference between a,valve and a tempering valve?&text=Tempering valves are usually replaced,be installed by any plumber



    WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A THERMOSTATIC MIXING VALVE AND A TEMPERING VALVE?
    Despite a TMV and a tempering valve having similar jobs, there are some differences between them including :

    • Tempering valves are accurate to approximately 3โ„ƒ +/- but TMVs are accurate to around 1โ„ƒ +/-
    • TMVs are more expensive than tempering valves
    • TMVs are quicker to respond to temperature changes
    • TMVs last longer than tempering valves
    • Tempering valves are usually replaced, not repaired when needed. TMVs are generally repaired where possible
    • Plumbers must have a specific TMV licence to install TMVs, whereas tempering valves can be installed by any plumber
    • Servicing is needed more regularly for TMVs than tempering valves
    • TMVs respond to pressure variations quicker than tempering valves




    http://media.wattswater.com/F-1070.pdf
     
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    I hope this enlightens a DIY thinks "in theory" all devices are the same

    YOU ASKED ABJOT "STACKING" >>>>Stacking is the hottest water is at the top of a tank as "heat rises"

    There are two types of hazards from domestic hot water systems: scalding and thermal shock. In the last few decades, the plumbing industry has come a long way in protecting people from these hazards.

    Types of Hazards

    In the past, doing a dance in the shower was a common occurrence when someone else in a building was using cold water during a shower, the cold water use elsewhere in the building would cause a pressure drop in the cold water system. The pressure imbalance would lead to a sudden decrease in the cold water pressure. The hot water system pressure would remain relatively constant therefore it becomes a higher pressure than the cold water pressure. The increase in the hot water pressure changes the proportion of hot to cold water ratio so the temperature from the shower changes and becomes hot for the bather. The reverse happens when there is increased usage of hot water - hot water pressure drops and there is a corresponding change in the mixed water ratio causing a burst of cold water. This sudden change in temperature at the showerhead is referred to as thermal shock. One danger of thermal shock is that it may cause the affected bather to react suddenly, resulting in a slip-and-fall injury. It is also common for someone to experience thermal shock and experience a slip and fall. Often, when the person in the shower falls from thermal shock, it is common for them to hit or grab the shower controls on their way down turning the controls to hot and causing a scalding injury. In some extreme cases the person is incapacitated by the fall and cannot get out of the flow of hot water.

    History of hot water system controls

    In the early 20th century, two-handled bathtub and shower valves were common and contributed to thermal shock and scalding incidents on a regular basis. To address the problem, some manufacturers developed single-handled shower valves. Early designs of these valves did not have maximum temperature limit stops, and some did not have pressure compensation. So they provided very little protection against thermal shock. In 1939, Symmons Industries Inc. pioneered the pressure balancing shower valve to address the thermal shock issue. The early valves provided thermal shock protection but not anti-scald protection. In later years, manufacturers added set screws, limit stops and cams to allow the valves to be set to limit the amount of rotation toward the hot water, thereby providing a safe temperature for showering or bathing.

    The severity and risk associated with scalding increases drastically with relatively small increases in water temperature. An anti-scald shower valve will only protect a bather if the maximum temperature limit stop or set screw is adjusted when the valve is installed. It is very important that the installing contractor make sure the water heater is set to the proper temperature and water is flowed to the tub/shower valve in order to set the maximum temperature limit stop to a maximum of 120 degrees Fahrenheit with the use of a thermometer. Most valves need to be adjusted seasonally to compensate for seasonal differences in the incoming cold water temperature, which can affect the mixed water temperature.

    The federal plumbing specification, WW P 541, was the minimum standard for plumbing products used by the federal government. The federal specifications were the first to mandate single-handled shower mixing valves for federal government projects. Early valves came in three categories: type P, pressure balancing, type T, thermostatic and type M, mechanical mixers. The mechanical mixer was simply a single-handed valve that opened with cold water and added hot water as the valve rotated open. Although some manufacturers had the required devices available, they were not commonly used, because the cost for the new technology was higher than a conventional mechanical mixer.

    In 1973, the American Society of Sanitary Engineering (ASSE) developed the 1016 standard to address requirements for showers to protect against thermal shock and scalding. The standard called for a maximum temperature limit stop of 120 F and has evolved to include type P, type T and type TP (combination thermostatic/pressure balancing) valves. Type P devices have a pressure balancing piston or diaphragm that equalizes the pressure between the two inlet ports and maintains the same outlet temperature, as long as the incoming temperatures remain the same. Type T devices have a temperature-sensing element that adjusts the inlet ports to maintain a relatively constant outlet temperature. Type TP devices have pressure-sensing and temperature-sensing elements and can compensate for both temperature and pressure changes.

    The ASSE 1016 standard does not address mechanical mixers or two-handled shower or tub/shower controls. In-line devices such as the ones covered in the ASSE 1070 standard for thermostatic mixing valves limit the water temperature of the hot water supply, but they do not provide thermal shock protection, since additional unprotected cold water can be mixed in downstream of the device which is mounted in-line in the domestic hot water branch piping near the point of use.

    The scald burn studies done by doctors Moritz and Henriques showed that it took approximately eight minutes of exposure to temperatures in the range of 120 F for adults to develop a serious scald burn: Someone exposed to water at 120 F would have up to eight minutes to get out of harm's way before an injury started to develop. (It should be noted that children and infants skin is thinner and could develop burns sooner than eight minutes.) The 120-degree temperature limit has become an industry standard for scald prevention in showers and combination bathtub/showers. The American Society of Plumbing Engineers (ASPE) is nearing completion of a standard on temperature limits for domestic hot water fixtures. The new standard will cover temperature limits for a wide variety of plumbing fixtures. There will even be a few fixtures that will have temperature limits below 120 F.

    Table 1 - Water Temperature Effects on Adult Skin
    (Source: Report prepared by Dr. Moritz and Dr. Henriques at Harvard Medical School in the 1940s)

    Temp. - - - - - - - Type of Burn injury
    Deg. F ---1st Deg. Burn ---2nd Deg. Burn
    111 ----- 270 Minutes ----- 300 Minutes
    113 ------120 Minutes ------180 Minutes
    116 ------20 Minutes -------45 Minutes
    118 ------15 Minutes -------20 Minutes
    120 ------8 Minutes --------10 Minutes
    124 ------2 minutes --------4.2 Minutes
    131 ------17 Seconds ------30 Seconds
    140 ------3 Seconds --------5 Seconds
    151 ------Instant ------------2 Seconds

    In the mid-1970s, the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) published a report titled, "A Systematic Program to Reduce Incidence and Severity of Bathtub and Shower Area Injuries." The CPSC report prompted the American Society of Testing Materials (ASTM) to develop ASTM F444 and F445. ASTM F444 included performance requirements related to protection of showers from scalding, while ASTM F445 addressed "thermal shock preventing mixing valves" or pressure balancing valves. Since then, the scald provisions in the ASTM standards have been incorporated in the ASSE 1016 standard for shower and tub/shower valves.

    By 1987, most of the model codes covering the United States included protection against thermal shock and scalding with references to ASSE 1016 with a maximum temperature limit stop set to 120 degrees Fahrenheit. Today almost all codes in the United States and Canada have thermal shock and scalding protection.

    By the mid-1990s, barrier-free proponents added requirements in the Americans with Disabilities Act Accessibility Guidelines (ADAAG) that were adopted in the ANSI standard A117.1. The water delivered to "shower and bathtub/shower facilities" had to be "thermal shock protected to 120 F maximum." Some local health departments have set minimum and maximum temperatures that are slightly different, with tighter tolerances, for hospitals, nursing homes and other facilities for persons with limited mobility or senses.
     
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    ASSE hot water system control standards

    ASSE 1016 - Automatic Compensating Valves for Individual Showers and Tub/Shower Combinations
    Because showering occurs in a confined space while standing on a wet floor surface with a large portion of the body in contact with flowing water discharged from a fixed showerhead, a significant hazard is present. In addition to the risk of scalding, reacting abruptly by moving away from the flowing water can cause a serious injury from a slip or fall. ASSE 1016 valves are designed to protect against thermal shock and scalding. The standard called for a maximum temperature limit stop of 120 F and includes pressure balancing, thermostatic and combination pressure balancing/thermostatic valves. Pressure balancing devices have a pressure balancing piston or diaphragm that equalizes the pressure between the two inlet ports and maintains the same outlet temperature, as long as the incoming temperatures remain the same. Thermostatic type devices have a temperature-sensing element that senses the mixed water in the mixing chamber and adjusts the inlet ports with a bi-metallic thermal element, liquid paraffin wax piston or other type of thermal sensing element to maintain a relatively constant outlet temperature. The combination thermostatic and pressure balancing type devices have temperature-sensing and pressure-sensing elements and can compensate for both temperature and pressure changes.

    During the standard update process, the development of the type TP devices in the 1990s highlighted the need for a new standard because the tests for the different types of devices were different; however manufacturers resisted creating a new standard and splitting it into three separate standards. The problem was the ASSE 1016 standard was already accepted in most of the model codes. Manufacturers would have to go back to the model plumbing code organizations and state codes and have the new standards accepted. This would have been extremely expensive and in jurisdictions where they are slow in updating to the latest edition of the code, whichever type of shower valve that kept the ASSE 1016 number would have had an advantage over the other types of valves as far as code acceptance. The compromise was to have one standard with three different types of valves and three different tests with one standard number.

    ASSE 1062 - Temperature Actuated Flow Reduction Devices
    Older showers with two-handled valves or single-handled mechanical mixers that do not meet the requirements of ASSE 1016 do not provide scalding or thermal shock protection. These two-handled installations can be provided with a temperature actuated flow reduction (TAFR) valve, a device that complies with ASSE 1062 and reduces the scalding risk but does not provide thermal shock protection. The TAFR valve is installed between the showerhead and the shower arm. In combination tub/shower installations, a TAFR can be screwed into the tub spout. The TAFR senses the water flowing through the device. When the water temperature exceeds the setpoint (about 115 - 117 F), the valve closes and only allows a trickle of flow. The trickle of flow is designed to allow the bather to readjust the controls to a cooler setting and to let the cooler water reset the TAFR valve. The resetting process takes about 15 - 20 seconds, but that is a small inconvenience, considering that the device can protect the bather from severe scald burns.

    ASSE 1066 - Individual Pressure Balancing Valves for Individual Fixture Fittings.
    To reduce the risk of thermal shock in older two-handled shower valve installations, an ASSE 1066 in-line pressure-balancing valve can be installed in the hot and cold water supply lines to the faucet. This device controls pressure imbalances that lead to thermal shock; it does not provide scald protection.

    ASSE 1017 - Temperature Actuated Mixing Valves for Hot Water Distribution Systems.
    Thermostatic mixing valves complying with ASSE 1017 are designed to control temperature from +/- 3 - 7 F, depending on the size, when flowing at the required flow rate. It should be noted that ASSE 1017 has no test for compensation during pressure fluctuation, so in order to minimize pressure fluctuations between the hot and cold water lines; the mixing valve needs to be located at the hot water source. If there is a circulating pump in the system, care should be taken to make sure a mixing valve is piped properly. The tempered water return pipe should split after the tempered water circulating pump and one line should be routed to the cold water inlet of the water heater with a balancing valve to throttle this flow. The other valve should be routed to the cold water inlet of the ASSE 1017 thermostatic mixing valve. This piping arrangement allows the mixing valve to mix 100 degree return water with 140 degree hot water to get 120 tempered water deliver to the tempered water system when there is no flow from any of the fixtures. If there is no flow, no cold water can mix with the hot water to temper the hot water. If the tempered water return pipe is only routed back to the water heater, and there is no flow from a fixture, the circulating pump will force hot water to leak through or blow by the clearances in the mixing valve causing the tempered water line to rise to the full water heater outlet temperature setting. If the tempered water return line is only routed back to the cold water inlet or mixing valve return inlet, then the cooler tempered water return water will leak through or blow by the clearance in the mixing valve and the tempered water system temperature will eventually drop to ambient temperature. This would provide an opportunity for thermal shock as the hot water arrives at a shower after the system has cooled down.
     
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    ASSE 1069 - Automatic Temperature Control Mixing Valves.
    The ASSE 1069 Automatic Temperature Control Mixing Valves are designed for gang shower applications such as those in a school, prison or health club with On-Off controls at each shower station. A single thermostatic mixing valve is exposed to a wide range of flow rates. This valve standard was developed to deal with a wide range of flows with tight temperature tolerances at low flows. If only one shower is flowing, the flow rate could be as low as two gallons per minute. In larger installations, it may be necessary to install a hi-low system that incorporates two or more thermostatic mixing valves. A smaller valve is used to compensate and maintain temperature during low flow conditions, and multiple valves work together as the flow rate increases.

    ASSE 1070 - Water Temperature Limiting Devices.
    In-line devices such as the ASSE 1070 thermostatic mixing valve limit the water temperature of the hot water supply to a shower valve, but they do not provide thermal shock protection, since additional unprotected cold water is mixed in downstream of the device. This device limits the water temperature to fixtures such as sinks, lavatories or bathtubs and reduces the risk of scalding. The device shall be either the final temperature regulation or have water further tempered downstream of the device with the addition of cold water.

    Water heater thermostats
    Water heater thermostats do not control temperature. I cringe every time I hear a radio talk show host or some one tell people to turn their water heater thermostats down to prevent scalding. Turning the thermostat down will not prevent scalding. I see the same mis-guided advice dispensed in newspaper handyman columns that talk about water heaters or home safety. Water heater thermostats cannot be relied upon to control the hot water temperature to a hot water system. Although water heater manufacturers recommend that installers set thermostats at 120 - 125 F, and although most of them ship the water heaters at lower temperature settings, it is impossible to accurately control the water heater temperature with a water heater thermostat. The plumbing engineering community continues to recommend storing hot water at 140 degrees Fahrenheit and mixing the hot water with an ASSE 1017 thermostatic valve to deliver hot water to the plumbing system at about 120 degrees Fahrenheit. This reduces the threat of Legionella bacteria growth in the tank, and allows a smaller water heater than one with a lower stored temperature.

    Hot water systems are designed and water heaters are generally sized to store hot water at 140 F. When the thermostat is set at a lower temperature, the water heater has a reduced capacity to deliver hot water. As a result, when users run out of hot water, and the water heater thermostat is re-adjusted to a temperature above 120 F, this increases the temperature to a scalding temperature and in some cases it could be adjusted even higher than the original setting. The water heater will continue to store and deliver water at scalding hot temperatures. The solution is using a thermostatic mixing valve not tinkering with the water heater burner controls.

    Water heater thermostats were never intended to provide precise temperature controls for hot water systems. For example: the thermostat dial calibration test of ANSI Z21.10.1-1998, which is the applicable standard for gas-fired water heaters, allows the temperature to vary 10 degrees above or below the thermostat setting. I have talked to water heater manufacturers that have indicated that the controls can vary as much as 15 to 18 degrees Fahrenheit above or below the set point of he thermostat. The thermostat is inserted into the lower portion of a water heater tank and turns the fuel supply to the heater on and off. Most newer water heater thermostat dials have no way to know what the temperature in the tank is. There are letter designations, numbers, or words like, warm, hot and very hot. There is generally never a fixed temperature indicated on the dial.

    Theoretically, if the water heater thermostatic element is set at 120 degrees Fahrenheit, the burner would come on when the temperature at the thermostat reaches about 105 degrees Fahrenheit. The burner stays on until the water around the thermostat element near the bottom of the heater reaches about 135 degrees Fahrenheit (about 30 degrees higher than when the burner came on and 15 degrees above the theoretical set point of the thermostat).
    Most people don't realize that the maximum temperature limit test of the ANSI Z21.10.1 Gas Water Heater Standard allows the outlet water temperature of the water heater to rise 30 F above the thermostat setting. This provision in the standard accounts for the phenomenon known as "stacking" or "thermal layering". The hot water is less dense and rises to the top of the hot water tank. The cooler water drops to the bottom of the tank. Stacking or layering occurs when hot water rises to the top of the heater due to recurring short duration heating cycles caused by a frequent number of small quantity hot water uses. This phenomenon can occur in any type of storage water heater and generally is more significant in vertical heaters.
    At the top of a water heater that is theoretically set for 120 F to prevent scalding, the temperatures can easily reach 150 to 165 degrees Fahrenheit. These extremely high temperatures will cause third degrees burns and severe scald injuries in an instant upon contact with the skin. This is why I highly recommend installing the proper type of an ASSE 1017 thermostatic mixing valve on the outlet piping of a water heater to limit the hot water distribution temperatures to a maximum safe delivery temperature of 120 F. If high temperature hot water uses are required in a building, I recommend installing an ASSE 1070 thermostatic mixing valve on the local branch piping serving a fixture or group of fixtures. The mixing valve can then reduce the hot water temperature to a safe temperature.

    I hope that these hot water system design recommendations will help keep you out of hot water.

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