Need a new Toilet - Toto seems like the right choice

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Hello
I need a new toilet for a bathroom remodel

Everything I've read is Toto is very good.

I'd like a tall boy, elongated, one piece if possible and something that cleans well when flushed.
The house has septic, not sure if that matters. I don't think low flow toilet would work well for my house.
I'm willing to go with a 2 piece but like the idea of a 1 piece for cleaning.

I hope not t spend more than 600-700 and even less.

What do you recommend?

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I've been installing of lot of the Ultramax II,
MS604114CEFG
One piece, universal height, good bowl finish with the rinse that swirls. It's a 1.28 that works very well. It's all you need.
 

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I've been installing of lot of the Ultramax II,
MS604114CEFG
One piece, universal height, good bowl finish with the rinse that swirls. It's a 1.28 that works very well. It's all you need.
HI Terry,
I've seen you mention the Drake a lot. Is there any major difference between the Drake and the Ultramax?

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Drakes are two-piece. Neither are Unifit or skirted.
 
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One piece will cost more, but in the Toto world, one piece toilets include a seat, and not the 2-piece. At least it used to be that way.

The toilet will be in service for many years, so getting something you prefer is worthwhile.
 
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Toto has a good reputation but it is largely legacy. Yes, the toilets mentioned are fine. But Toto has also cheapened a lot and some of their mechanisms inside the tank are not high quality
You can look up the independent flush performance from MaP testing site for any toilet.
I am extremely happy with my new American Standard Cadet 3 Flowise 1.28 (flushes like a CHAMP) and Pro models with elongated bowls with the Everclean surface. I dumped my old Toto Drake due to age and porcelain condition.
 
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Toto has a good reputation but it is largely legacy. Yes, the toilets mentioned are fine. But Toto has also cheapened a lot and some of their mechanisms inside the tank are not high quality
You can look up the independent flush performance from MaP testing site for any toilet.
I am extremely happy with my new American Standard Cadet 3 Flowise 1.28 (flushes like a CHAMP) and Pro models with elongated bowls with the Everclean surface. I dumped my old Toto Drake due to age and porcelain condition.
I appreciate that advice. I've checked out the MaP scores for the Toto's mentioned and they also look good. The only negative is I'd be paying a couple hundred more for those.
 

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breplum had the old TOTO without the better bowl finish. The new TOTO Drakes all have the better finish now.
And they have a better trapway.
I've sold and installed both, the TOTO is better.

Surprising that the upgrade didn't happen sooner in his home. But then I change toilets often so that I can write about them.
I do find that toilets across the board are getting better.
 
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I installed three 2021 Toto Drake washlet+ 1.6gpf and couldn’t be happier. Also HIGHLY recommend considering buying either those or Ultra Max washlet+ with bidet seat — s500e or s550e. You will be rapidly spoiled and the extra $ are well worth it. But regardless, the flushing power and cleaning performance of the new Drakes with cefiontec finish are excellent — just go with Toto and you won’t go wrong.
 

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I've been installing of lot of the Ultramax II,
MS604114CEFG
One piece, universal height, good bowl finish with the rinse that swirls. It's a 1.28 that works very well. It's all you need.
The MS604114CEFG seems to be out of stock at many places near me. is there a new model of this same toilet?
 

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It's now the MS604124CEFG#01
The bowl is a Connect bowl, which has a hole for a concealed supply line for a Washlet, and the SS124 seat that covers that hole.
 
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It's now the MS604124CEFG#01
The bowl is a Connect bowl, which has a hole for a concealed supply line for a Washlet, and the SS124 seat that covers that hole.
I found this UltraMax. MS853113E#01

Its at a store I get a good price. Is this just a much older model?
 

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Potentially ...
No G= no CEFIONTECT ceramic glaze
No F = no normally means 14-5/8" rather than 16-1/8" high bowl "Universal height"
No C= no Double Cyclone Rinse presumably. So I think instead of two big holes, it would have rim holes.
 

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I found this UltraMax. MS853113E#01

Its at a store I get a good price. Is this just a much older model?

It's one of the original models.
Standard height, standard glaze, round bowl.
I did sell a bunch of them though.

For any bowl cleaning, dishwashing detergent, Dawn works well.
 

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It's one of the original models.
Standard height, standard glaze, round bowl.
I did sell a bunch of them though.

For any bowl cleaning, dishwashing detergent, Dawn works well.
Last question I hope.

What are the differences between these 2?

MS604124CEFG#01
MS854114ELG#01
 

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MS604124CEFG#01

C = Cyclone rinse
E = 1.28 GPF
F = 16-1/8" bowl height
G = CEFIONTECT™ Glaze

ms604-terrylove-08.jpg


MS854114ELG#01

E = 1.28 GPF
L = 16-1/2" bowl height
G = CEFIONTECT™ Glaze

MS854114EL_main_usa.jpg
 

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MS604124CEFG#01

C = Cyclone rinse
E = 1.28 GPF
F = 16-1/8" bowl height
G = CEFIONTECT™ Glaze



MS854114ELG#01

E = 1.28 GPF
L = 16-1/2" bowl height
G = CEFIONTECT™ Glaze

MS854114EL_main_usa.jpg
It's one of the original models.
Standard height, standard glaze, round bowl.
I did sell a bunch of them though.

For any bowl cleaning, dishwashing detergent, Dawn works well.
Is there a 1.6 GPF of this toilet?
 
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