Speedbump
Active Member
Your making it harder and harder for me to believe the above statement.I am not a “plant” by Hydrocare
Your making it harder and harder for me to believe the above statement.I am not a “plant” by Hydrocare
Your making it harder and harder for me to believe the above statement.
I am beginning to think you are the "plant" for some water softener dealer association. hmmmmm. Still no answer to my three basic questions??
Finally, In my opinion many of the negative comments on this forum and others are being made by individuals who either sell of have some vested interests in the traditional salt brine water softeners industry and may feel threatened by this new technology. Imagine how horse buggy builders felt threatened, by the first automobiles. To label Hydrocare a scam without first hand experience or doing proper due diligence is wrong and if any thing borders on liable.
I made negative / skeptical comments and I'm not threatened by newer technology that would obsolete brine ... why should I be? The WC&P recently published a story about alternate technologies to tradional softening and the results were very clear ... IT DOES NOT WORK. Even if you read a few positive testimonials, the claims were very subjective and the people making the testimonials just weren't too sure about the results ... very subjective "feel good" comments that had no scientific data. If you are a member of the WQA, the code of ethics clearly states that thou shall not market any products without factual data and verifiable scientifically valid test procedures. No data ... no sales.
So if, for academic purposes, we can agree that "they" reduce, remove, and inhibit calcium carbonate scale build up in plumbing, then great. However, I have never had one customer or prospect request my services to "get rid" of the scale build up in there pipes. Mostly because there is little or no evidence that there is that problem.
People request water treatment for all the other benefits (won't dribble on those) associated with water softening, which scale inhibitors can not manage, thus causing customers to become very disappointed in expectations of their amazing no-salt product.
Besides, how DO you determine that it IS working? Cut your plumbing up every six moths to inspect scale reduction? You can't tell by seeing fewer spots on dishes, shower walls, or less rusty toilets, soap use, softer fabrics...oops, I'm dribbling again...all the things that consumers appreciate and want and whose benefits are noticed immediately.
Andy Christensen, CWS-II
I'll remain in the business that I know works and causes successful solutions to real water issues proven over and over. Good luck on your water.
Andy
I really want to believe that this Hydrocare system works, but having a tough time. The unit attaches to a cold water pipe and uses radio waves. That's fine and has been debated already. The claim that jumps out at me is this one:
• The toilet in the less used basement bathroom had a hard water ring in it prior to test and noticed that it has disappeared after 6 days of Hydrocare installation.
So, I am to believe that the radio wave extends all the way to a toilet bowl and breaks down existing scale? I'm not a plumber but I am sure that there is no connection between the water sitting in a toilet bowl and the supply water pipe. Even if you flush, the incoming water itself can break down scale?
If someone can explain this, I would appreciate it.
I can not explain it but all I am doing is keeping a record of my observations and reporting the same. After 2 weeks the hard water ring has not reappeared, In this one toilet I am not doing any other cleaning just to see what happens.
I'm guessing that a women cleaned the toilet.
Yes men, these things do not clean themselves.
Just like engines don't check their own oil either,
You are changing your claim now. First you reported that the toilet bowl ring 'disappeared after 6 days'. Now you are saying that the 'hard water ring has not reappeared'.
I guess I didn't state that correctly the ring disappeared and has not reappeared since. I can also guarantee that my wife didn't clean the basement toilet as that is one of my "chores"
Just so I am clear, the original existing scale in toilet was removed by cleaning, not the Hydrocare?
I do not know how much more clear I can make this, but I will try.
When I started the test this particular toilet had a hard water ring in the bowl. I did not clean it as I wanted to see what effect if any the Hydrocare unit would have. As I reported in my first weekly post; "The toilet in the less used basement bathroom had a hard water ring in it prior to test and I noticed that it has disappeared after 6 days of Hydrocare installation."
I have not cleaned that toilet at any time during the test just to see if the hard water ring would reappear which so far has not happened.
Terry Doane
Thanks Terry, it's your use of the word reappear that threw me off.
I hope there is someone out there, perhaps someone from Hydrocare, that can explain how their product can remove existing scale (hard water ring) from a toilet bowl.
Since the Hydrocare does not come into direct contact with the water (like a filter or conventional softener) it seems that if you tested for hard water before using, you would still have hard water after. Is that the case? Does the water still contain the calcium and magnesium, but it is in a state that keeps it from building on surfaces (scale).
This is awkward, but...
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