Drainage from Washer....where should I run the line?

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  1. 87vertgt

    87vertgt New Member

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    heres the basement porch. There is a drain in the back yard which is about 5 feet from the wall where the window is.

    Big problem is running a exposed pipe will freeze as it can get to 20 below here :D

    So I am thinking of running a 1 inch copper line with a heat wire wrap around it. It wont look pretty but will get it done.

    Talk to me boyz....

    yay or nay :p

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  2. Ian Gills

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    Is there a utility sink in the basement?

    If so, discharge the washer into that.
     
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  4. 87vertgt

    87vertgt New Member

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    i appreciate your wise words.......but wanna stay away from inspectors :p. thanx
     
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    no, no sink :(
     
  6. johnjh2o1

    johnjh2o1 Plumbing Contractor for 49 years

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    Not a very good way to look at it. If there is no permit on file for the work your doing when it comes time to sell the house you will pay for it at that time. I also see your hooking up gas line , is this also being done with no permit?

    John
     
  7. Gary Swart

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    A washer requires a 2" drain. I would also point out the flex hose you are using for the dryer vent is not a good choice. There are ridges inside that lint will hang up on and will make a fire hazard. Use aluminum pipe of this. Why are you doing this work without a permit? If you every sell, you will be required to bring everything up to code before the loan can be approved. The only time you will have a problem with an inspector is if you have violated codes.
     
  8. Terry

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    Heat tape doesn't meet any codes.

    Oh, that's right, code isn't a concern.

    Well, then the heat tape will be fine until the power goes out.

    Then you can call a plumber.
    When there are freezing conditions, it may take a few days, but we'll get there enventually.

    There are ways we do these things, that don't require heat tape.

    A 1" line for a washer?
    I've never heard that one before.
     
  9. 87vertgt

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    yeah it aint up to par but it's what I have to work with as cant pay for a plumber/contruction etc.



    lemme ask this...

    which pipe gets holds heat longer and quicker

    Copper or galvanized?
     
  10. hj

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    washer

    No matter where you connect it it will NEVER pass code without a vent, which you also do not seem to be concerned about. It makes no difference which one holds the heat longer. Either one will freeze fairly quickly if the temperature is cold enough. As will the pump and piping inside the washer. I may be wrong, but that "HOSE" attached to the gas line looks like a washing machine water hose. If it is, you do not have anything to worry about as far as the washing machine is concerned, because that will be taken care of when your house blows up.
     
  11. 87vertgt

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    no gas hoses are connected to the washer or dryer....the black rubber hose i think your talking bout is the cold water....

    will the drain pipe freeze even if it's in the ground? with heat wire?

    maybe i should just cut a long slot in the concrete in the back yard and let the water run on on it until it gets to the drain.
     
  12. johnjh2o1

    johnjh2o1 Plumbing Contractor for 49 years

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    You won't get any advice on this or any other reputable board to do something against code. We have all been telling you what you are doing is wrong, and dangerous.

    John
     
  13. 87vertgt

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    maybe wrong in "the mans' eye's but dangerous? how?
     
  14. johnjh2o1

    johnjh2o1 Plumbing Contractor for 49 years

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    By the man you must mean the law. Typical , the laws are for every one but you.

    John
     
  15. jadnashua

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    There's a difference in how a gravity drain works and a pumped line. They require a 2" line for a drain to a washing machine for a reason - to keep it from backing up when a pumped line is gushing into it.
     
  16. 87vertgt

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    yeah gonna run a 2 inch line...not sure if I am gonna go with living it exposed with the wire heater or install it in the ground with wire heater....

    how far should it be in the ground? 6 inches with concrete on top (not dirt) good enough?
     
  17. Terry

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    You can check your local frost line specs.

    In Seattle it's 24" of cover

    Idaho can be five feet in places.

    Since it is near the home, it will be somewhat buffered.
    If you can dig a little more, it would help.
    Sometimes you can tunnel under concrete, or have it cut.
    I don't like breaking outside concrete,
    If you cut it, you can size it to fit brick or stone, and cover the cut that way.
    If you break it, it will make it harder when you patch.
    For some stuff, I hire a guy with a wet saw.
     
  18. Gary Swart

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    Every so often there is someone who has zero plumbing knowledge but has big ideas about how he want to do a project. He comes on this forum asking questions, but when it is pointed out that what he is wanting to do is illegal, will not work, is being done wrong, etc., he refuses to accept the advice from expert plumbers and takes the attitude that since he certainly isn't going to bother with permits and inspections that whatever he wants to do should be OK. He can never understand why the good folks on the forum don't give him the answers he wants to hear. Oh yes, most of the time he has no money to hire a plumber to do the job right. I'm pretty sure that you are going to go ahead an try to bull this job through your own way, and I am equally sure that your washer will not drain and back up into your basement. Then come winter the pump and water lines will freeze and break. Maybe then you will figure out how to afford a plumber. Most of us would save some money for awhile so we could afford to hire someone who knows how to do the job. Good luck!

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    A flooded basement from a leaking washer hose.
    That's carpet with two inches of water over it.
     
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  19. SewerRatz

    SewerRatz Illinois Licensed Plumber

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    Good luck doing plumbing in Chicago with out a permit. One if there is some sort of outside work being done there is a 70% chance you will get caught. But when you sell your home if what you do does not meet Chicago's plumbing codes there is a 100% chance you will get caught, fined and made to hire a plumber to make the repairs.

    Here is what always puzzles me, people come here and ask advice, but when the proper advice is given, people will say they do not need to follow a code, or do not want to follow a code, if that is the case then why even bother asking?
     
  20. 87vertgt

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    maan you crazy...I know bout Plumbing....I know that when I flush the toliet....good water comes in and bad water goes out :D
     
  21. johnjh2o1

    johnjh2o1 Plumbing Contractor for 49 years

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    After you learn plumbing try to master the use of spell checkers.

    John
     
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