Dishwasher w/o vacuum breaker

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  1. pacermb

    pacermb New Member

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    Dishwasher w/o vacuum breaker/air gap

    I want to plumb a dishwasher through my garbage disposal without using a vacuum breaker/air gap. How is this done?
     
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  2. jadnashua

    jadnashua Retired Defense Industry Engineer xxx

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    Illegally, in many places!

    I think the term is air gap. But, to help, but not prevent, backups in the sink getting into the DW, run the hose as high as possible and clipped to the bottom of the counter, then run it down to either the garbage disposer's inlet, if using one, or a dishwasher tailpiece you install in the drain above the trap.

    Note, if you've never hooked a DW up to the GD, make sure to knock out the plug on the inlet AND remove it from the inside of the GD. Generally, a stout screw driver and a hammer will dislodge that plug.

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  4. msgale

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    are you sure...

    you haven't been at a home where a clogged/filled disposer sink backflowed through the dishwasher, flooding the kitchen with sink waste.

    i saw that once, and that is enough for me to always put an air gap.
     
  5. Verdeboy

    Verdeboy In the Trades

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    In my experience, flooding ocurrs much more with an air-gap than without one.

    When that inlet into the G/D gets blocked with food, the entire contents of the dishwasher will drain through the air-gap and onto the your kitchen counter and then onto the floor.

    I've seen that scenario dozens of times. I've yet to see the scenario you've just described.
     
  6. Mike Swearingen

    Mike Swearingen New Member

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    I have had a dishwasher since I built this house 30+ years ago. I don't have and have never had an air gap or a disposal (on septic system).
    I have NEVER had any problems. Ever. I just loop the dw drain discharge hose over the top of the dw and away it goes. No back up.
    I never have "backup" because I use an enzyme-based drain cleaner (like DrainCare) that keeps everything cleaned out and all flowing out of here as it should.
    Mike
     
  7. Dunbar Plumbing

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    There's a reason for its use

    There's a reason why in all 50 states it is mandatory on restaurants, church kitchens, home catering businesses that have a commercial kitchen.

    It's designed to protect in the worse case scenario, that is why a good deal of the states in the united states require them.

    Case histories of cross-connections whereby wastewater has travelled back into the dishwasher.

    That is a common forum topic found on any plumbing/DIY'r forum. It happens and the lack of an Air Gap is why it happens.

    High looping is the same as throwing a hose over the edge of your swimming pool and draining it; Once the momentum starts, it has the capability to reverse the flow other than its intended direction.

    When a Air Gap leaks, the device isn't defective, it's the pipes leading from the Air Gap that causes the issue.


    Here soon I'm going to find out the regulations for these devices in every state and post them. Kentucky has enforcement of these and have been for years.

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  8. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    air gap

    If the hose is looped up to the bottom of the countertop, then the only way for the water to enter the DW is either because the drain is plugged and the sink is full of water, in which case they should have stopped running water a long time ago. Or, the drain is plugged and there is water in the sink and when the DW finishes pumping the water out, it siphons it back into the DW. Again this should be obvious and a plumber should be called. In either of these scernarios, if the DW has an air gap the drain from it will be restricted by the water in the sink and the DW will drain onto the countertop, again alerting the occupants to the need for a plumber.

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