jimpc
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I've been on a toilet replacement binge at the house so I thought I'd share some insight that I've acquired. We wanted all skirted toilets so I went with the Kohler Corbelle and the Toto Vespin II. Both are 1.28gpf skirted ADA height elongated toilets with each company's respective premium ceramic coating. For those that don't know the Kohler Corbelle is a brand new model from Kohler with a brand new flush that mimics Toto's Tornado flush.
Here we go.
Design:
I think to Toto looks nicer but the Kohler has the better skirt. However, the Toto does the same in a smaller package. Not only is the Vespin not as long but it doesn't sit as far from the wall as the Corbelle. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder of course.
Installation:
Kohler hands down. Kohler has taken Toto's unifit adapter and made it a lot better. With the Kohler you only screw down at the flange, the same as if you were installing a non-skirted toilet. There's no drilling into wood or your tile necessary. In addition, the Vespin bolts down at the back of the toilet while the Kohler bolts down at the middle of the toilet. This results in a much more snug and sturdy intall on the Kohler as the grip from the toilet to the floor is at the middle so the tightening is evenly distributed across the whole toilet. With the Vespin all of your downward force is at one end. So if I really wanted to I could wiggle left to right at the front of the Vespin and get it to move. You can't move the Kohler at all.
Flush/Water:
Water spot is good on both. You're not getting a 20 year old Gerber water spot anymore these days.
I'd give a slight edge to the Kohler in the flush department. It's just a more powerful flush. Especially when comparing the quick flush on both toilets. The biggest advantage of the Kohler is the noise when flushing and refilling the tank. It's like a sedan vs a diesel truck. I'll have videos that show both toilets with a full flush and refill and you'll be able to hear for yourself.
Comfort:
Both are great. I'd recommend the Bemis soft close toilet seats you can get anywhere to rest your tush on. I prefer them over any manufacture's toilet seats.
Price:
I was able to get the Vespin for $340 and the Corbelle for $260
Conclusion:
Both are good products. I needed the Vespin for the 2 upstairs bathrooms because it takes up less space than the Corbelle. The toilets upstairs are perpendicular to the bathtubs and I didn't want to eat up more space than I had to. We had round bowls previously. For me personally if I had the room I would have made them all the Corbelle but I don't feel wanting with the Vespin. With that being said, I had to exchange my first Corbelle because of some really piss poor ceramic work that made it through quality control. I'm not talking got damage in shipping. I'm talking bubbles and craters on the finished portion of the bowl.
Videos:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1D92TuxUGTpgpTNNC7NJt3BehpKpXYaEQ?usp=sharing
If you have any other questions feel free to ask.
Here we go.
Design:
I think to Toto looks nicer but the Kohler has the better skirt. However, the Toto does the same in a smaller package. Not only is the Vespin not as long but it doesn't sit as far from the wall as the Corbelle. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder of course.
Installation:
Kohler hands down. Kohler has taken Toto's unifit adapter and made it a lot better. With the Kohler you only screw down at the flange, the same as if you were installing a non-skirted toilet. There's no drilling into wood or your tile necessary. In addition, the Vespin bolts down at the back of the toilet while the Kohler bolts down at the middle of the toilet. This results in a much more snug and sturdy intall on the Kohler as the grip from the toilet to the floor is at the middle so the tightening is evenly distributed across the whole toilet. With the Vespin all of your downward force is at one end. So if I really wanted to I could wiggle left to right at the front of the Vespin and get it to move. You can't move the Kohler at all.
Flush/Water:
Water spot is good on both. You're not getting a 20 year old Gerber water spot anymore these days.
I'd give a slight edge to the Kohler in the flush department. It's just a more powerful flush. Especially when comparing the quick flush on both toilets. The biggest advantage of the Kohler is the noise when flushing and refilling the tank. It's like a sedan vs a diesel truck. I'll have videos that show both toilets with a full flush and refill and you'll be able to hear for yourself.
Comfort:
Both are great. I'd recommend the Bemis soft close toilet seats you can get anywhere to rest your tush on. I prefer them over any manufacture's toilet seats.
Price:
I was able to get the Vespin for $340 and the Corbelle for $260
Conclusion:
Both are good products. I needed the Vespin for the 2 upstairs bathrooms because it takes up less space than the Corbelle. The toilets upstairs are perpendicular to the bathtubs and I didn't want to eat up more space than I had to. We had round bowls previously. For me personally if I had the room I would have made them all the Corbelle but I don't feel wanting with the Vespin. With that being said, I had to exchange my first Corbelle because of some really piss poor ceramic work that made it through quality control. I'm not talking got damage in shipping. I'm talking bubbles and craters on the finished portion of the bowl.
Videos:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1D92TuxUGTpgpTNNC7NJt3BehpKpXYaEQ?usp=sharing
If you have any other questions feel free to ask.
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