Wrong Injector in Fleck 5810?

[GLT]

I believe my Fleck 5810 softener has the wrong injector installed and need some advice on what to do.
I have a 9x48 tank with 1 cu/ft resin and city water at 15 grains.
My valve has a White injector which I think belongs in at 14"-16" tank.
My 9" tank should have a Violet injector according to the Fleck manual.

What problems does this cause?
Should I notify the seller and insist on the proper injector?

 

[Reach4]

I believe my Fleck 5810 softener has the wrong injector installed and need some advice on what to do.
I have a 9x48 tank with 1 cu/ft resin and city water at 15 grains.
My valve has a White injector which I think belongs in at 14"-16" tank.
My 9" tank should have a Violet injector according to the Fleck manual.

What problems does this cause?
Should I notify the seller and insist on the proper injector?

Yes. The #1 would run the brine through faster than optimum, so you will not get the full benefit of the salt.

#00 Injector - Violet is what I would want. It is ideal.

If using 8 lb/cuft of salt, set BD to 70, and if 6 to 7 lb/cuft of salt, use 60 minutes.

 

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[GLT]

Yes. The #1 would run the brine through faster than optimum, so you will not get the full benefit of the salt.

#00 Injector - Violet is what I would want. It is ideal.

If using 8 lb/cuft of salt, set BD to 70, and if 6 to 7 lb/cuft of salt, use 60 minutes.

Thank you for the quick reply, your information was spot on and just what I needed.
I called the supplier and was told the White injector was a mistake and they would send out the Violet injector for my 9 inch tank.

I do have a concern that because the injector was not checked that maybe the rest of the 5810 valve was not tweaked for best results.
It's a big ask but I would like your advice on the best settings for salt efficiency while still providing good water quality.
City water is 13.5 grains.
BFLC is .25
Injector will be violet (#00)
Iron is listed at 0.2mg/L, which I believe is about 0.1 gr/gal.
Daily usage is 140 gallons per day.

 

[Reach4]

Thank you for the quick reply, your information was spot on and just what I needed.
I called the supplier and was told the White injector was a mistake and they would send out the Violet injector for my 9 inch tank.

Nice. The #00 violet is best, not because of the tank diameter, but because of the 1 cuft of resin.

Well, check that the turbine is in there, or make sure that the control measures flow.

System info (not programmed)
salt lb/cuft : 6.75 ; A choice ( efficiency vs capacity)
BLFC : 0.25 ; Brine Refill rate GPM
cubic ft resin : 1 ; Same as (nominal grains/32,000)
Raw hardness : 15 ; including iron etc
Estimated gal/day ; 140 ; 60 gal per person prediction (auto-tunes)
Est days/regen ; 9.61 ; presuming days each use estimated

Fleck 5810SXT Settings:
DF = Gal ; Units
VT = 5810 ; Valve type
RF = dF2b ; Downflow, Double Backwash
CT = Fd ; Meter Delayed regen trigger
C = 22 ; capacity in 1000 grains
H = 16 ; Hardness grains after comp factor
RS = cr ; Cr = base reserve on recent experience
DO = 30 ; Day Override (typ 30 if no iron/Mn)
RT = 2:00 ; Regen time (default 2 AM)
B1 = 5 ; Backwash 1 (minutes) [3...10]
Bd = 60 ; Brine draw minutes
B2 = 4 ; Backwash 2 (minutes)[3...10]
RR = 6 ; Rapid Rinse minutes
BF = 9 ; Brine fill minutes
FM = t1.2 (usual) ; t1.2 is default flow meter
RE = OFF ; Relay
VR = OFF ; ?

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Revised based on numbers from
https://terrylove.com/forums/index.php?threads/help-for-programming-fleck-5810.82673/#post-595983

The less salt per cubic ft, the more salt efficient, but more hardness breakthrough.



Revised based on number from https://terrylove.com/forums/index.php?threads/help-for-programming-fleck-5810.82673/#post-595983

BLFC = 0.25
cubic ft resin = 1
Alternative C and BF pairs:
lb/cuft ; C= ; BF=
4.500 ; 18.0 ; 6
5.250 ; 19.6 ; 7
6.000 ; 21.0 ; 8
6.750 ; 22.2 ; 9 # Pair used above.
7.500 ; 23.3 ; 10
8.250 ; 24.3 ; 11
9.000 ; 25.2 ; 12

 

[Bannerman]

I do have a concern that because the injector was not checked that maybe the rest of the 5810 valve was not tweaked for best results.

The DLFC flow rate for a 9" diameter softener is typically 2.0 GPM whereas the drain rate for a larger diameter tank will be greater and will be likely to lift the resin too high during Backwash which may cause resin loss to drain. The flow rate should be specified on a label located nearby to the drain connection.

 

[GLT]

The DLFC flow rate for a 9" diameter softener is typically 2.0 GPM whereas the drain rate for a larger diameter tank will be greater and will be likely to lift the resin too high during Backwash which may cause resin loss to drain. The flow rate should be specified on a label located nearby to the drain connection.

The DLFL markings are: 200; 124; 'F'. The valve body has a blue sticker: .25 GMP, .75 Lb Salt/Min; and a white sticker with a '1' .
So do I have the 2.0 GPM flow rate?
Thank you for the advice.

 

[GLT]

Nice. The #00 violet is best, not because of the tank diameter, but because of the 1 cuft of resin.

Well, check that the turbine is in there, or make sure that the control measures flow.

System info (not programmed)
salt lb/cuft : 6.75 ; A choice ( efficiency vs capacity)
BLFC : 0.25 ; Brine Refill rate GPM
cubic ft resin : 1 ; Same as (nominal grains/32,000)
Raw hardness : 15 ; including iron etc
Estimated gal/day ; 140 ; 60 gal per person prediction (auto-tunes)
Est days/regen ; 9.61 ; presuming days each use estimated

Fleck 5810SXT Settings:
DF = Gal ; Units
VT = 5810 ; Valve type
RF = dF2b ; Downflow, Double Backwash
CT = Fd ; Meter Delayed regen trigger
C = 22 ; capacity in 1000 grains
H = 16 ; Hardness grains after comp factor
RS = cr ; Cr = base reserve on recent experience
DO = 30 ; Day Override (typ 30 if no iron/Mn)
RT = 2:00 ; Regen time (default 2 AM)
B1 = 5 ; Backwash 1 (minutes) [3...10]
Bd = 60 ; Brine draw minutes
B2 = 4 ; Backwash 2 (minutes)[3...10]
RR = 6 ; Rapid Rinse minutes
BF = 9 ; Brine fill minutes
FM = t1.2 (usual) ; t1.2 is default flow meter
RE = OFF ; Relay
VR = OFF ; ?

================
Revised based on numbers from
https://terrylove.com/forums/index.php?threads/help-for-programming-fleck-5810.82673/#post-595983

The less salt per cubic ft, the more salt efficient, but more hardness breakthrough.



Revised based on number from https://terrylove.com/forums/index.php?threads/help-for-programming-fleck-5810.82673/#post-595983

BLFC = 0.25
cubic ft resin = 1
Alternative C and BF pairs:
lb/cuft ; C= ; BF=
4.500 ; 18.0 ; 6
5.250 ; 19.6 ; 7
6.000 ; 21.0 ; 8
6.750 ; 22.2 ; 9 # Pair used above.
7.500 ; 23.3 ; 10
8.250 ; 24.3 ; 11
9.000 ; 25.2 ; 12

I will verify the valve has the proper settings based on your information.
A 1.25 meter is installed on the output line.
I appreciate your advice.
Thank you

 

[Reach4]

The DLFL markings are: 200; 124; 'F'. The valve body has a blue sticker: .25 GMP, .75 Lb Salt/Min; and a white sticker with a '1' .
So do I have the 2.0 GPM flow rate?
Thank you for the advice.

Yes, DLFC with 200 opposite the F is 2.0 gpm. 240 would be 2.4 gpm. It was worth checking.

 

[GLT]

I'm ready to install and I want to thank everyone for their input...