Toto AP vs EP

[ToiletChallenged]

According to Toto Customer Service the only difference between the AP and EP is cosmetic (due to the “cutouts” on the sides of the EP.) Does anyone have any practical experience with both who can confirm this or point to any pros/cons of one vs. the other?

Thanks!

 

[Tuttles Revenge]

Sorry.. no direct experience with both of those.

The EP bowl

 

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[Tuttles Revenge]

We're setting one for a client soon. Rough in this week.

 

[Reach4]

If that hole was big enough for a spare roll of TP, that would be handy. I am confident it is not.

 

[Tuttles Revenge]

If that hole was big enough for a spare roll of TP, that would be handy. I am confident it is not.

Use the mounting bolt as an anchor for a plate that extends beyond the profile of the toilet at the height of the recess with a post that holds TP at a right angle from the wall. The TP would be partially hidden inside that recess.

 

[570 Explorer]

Same question here
Does it have anything to do with how it mounts to the wall?

 

[Terry]

https://www.totousa.com/filemanager_uploads/product_assets/InstallationManual/0GU197_AP_WALL_HUNG_BOWL_IM.pdf

 

[570 Explorer]

Thank you Terry!
Another question
I've read quite a few bad reviews of Toto's new 1.28G Dynamax Tornado Flush vs the older 1.6G Dual-Max Flush on the Maris
What is your opinion?

 

[Jeff H Young]

looks like the AP has plastic panel on sides

 

[Reach4]

Thank you Terry!
Another question
I've read quite a few bad reviews of Toto's new 1.28G Dynamax Tornado Flush vs the older 1.6G Dual-Max Flush on the Maris

Dynamax is bad: it has no siphon jet.

https://terrylove.com/forums/index.php?threads/best-rimless-flushing-technology.91473/#post-658400

 

[570 Explorer]

looks like the AP has plastic panel on sides

Agree Jeff
What is your opinion older vs newer toto flushing technology?

 

[570 Explorer]

T

Dynamax is bad. No siphon jet.

Thanks Reach
Which wall hung toilet would you choose to use with Geberit carrier?

 

[Reach4]

T

Thanks Reach
Which wall hung toilet would you choose to use with Geberit carrier?

I am ignorant of that.

 

[570 Explorer]

I am ignorant of that.

Understood

 

[Jeff H Young]

Cant say Which Totos are best. I installed a ton of them when I never heard of them around 20 some years ago and found them to be quite good so Ive thought highly of them for that long. I dont have rescent experiance of newer ones

 

[Terry]

You will have some complaining that they are not five gallon bowls, and others that are okay with that.
I've worked with a few of the EP bowls, and haven't done the AP yet that secures with the rod tools from below the bowl yet.
They do save a lot of space and I have considered installing one for my small Master shower/WC room.
The Geberit in-wall unit should take both the Geberit bowls and the TOTO bowls.

 

[Reach4]

Took me a minute to realize smaller pipe in the picture in #16 is the water from the in-wall tank.

 

[Jeff H Young]

well it looks like it doesn't have side panels after all

 

[570 Explorer]

You will have some complaining that they are not five gallon bowls, and others that are okay with that.
I've worked with a few of the EP bowls, and haven't done the AP yet that secures with the rod tools from below the bowl yet.
They do save a lot of space and I have considered installing one for my small Master shower/WC room.
The Geberit in-wall unit should take both the Geberit bowls and the TOTO bowls.

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Any complaints about keeping the EP toilet bowl clean after #2?

 

[Tuttles Revenge]

Toto had me replace a wall hung for a customer to replace an older EP with a newer version with the Tornado flush. No first hand knowledge besides installing and flushing it a few times. Definitely like the Tornado flush better than the rim jets.