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I’m humbled at this moment. I have built a shower myself using great advice from this forum. Now have a new house that I can’t figure out the hot cold valve. It is locked in position. I looked around and cannot find any Allen set screw holding it in. All I have is this one “button” on the side. Thoughts on how to turn this? Wife says shower not hot enough. Hot tankless showing 150-160 on output when she is showering but shower is Lukewarm at best.

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I figured it out. I used a box cutter and pried off the end to expose the screw. It still not turning. Cartridge next?
 

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Does it move at all, or just won't go towards the hot side? If it freely moves, but only towards cold, it's almost certainly the max temp setting. Now, how to adjust that will depend, it could be a screw, a lever, a cam, etc. Generally, to adjust it, you need to remove more of the trim.

So, if it moves, but stops prior to getting hot enough, you adjust it to allow the handle to move further. If it's stuck and doesn't rotate at all, then, you MIGHT have a cartridge problem, but it could also be the hot line is partially clogged, and not providing enough volume to get to your desired temperature. A third possibility is if the spool valve is partially stuck. On some designs, that's a separate item, on others, it's built into the cartridge. This is the scald protection device built into any modern valve...if the pressure in say the cold line drops (someone flushes a toilet), it will sense that pressure drop, and cut back on the hot volume to try to maintain the same outlet temperature, or at worst, shut both the hot and cold off momentarily until the pressures equalize between the two lines.

The hassle with this type of valve is that it is SUPPOSED to be adjusted for a max safe temperature, but since the incoming cold may vary considerably summer/winter, you may need to adjust it seasonally.

FWIW, code says the max temperature for a shower, etc., should never be hotter than 120-degrees F...if your heat source is set to higher values, you are supposed to put a tempering valve on the outlet to drop it down. On a tankless, what might be happening is that as the volume goes up, it may not be able to heat the water enough as it passes through the heat exchanger, sort of like passing your hand through the flame of a candle...move it quickly, you may not even feel it. DO it slowly, you could burn your hand.
 

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Thank for the feedback. It does not move left or right. I think this is a pressure balance valve and not a thermostatic. At the old house I had thermostatic, and it was obvious, you set the temp then open the shower/rain head etc. On this one, just has has hot/cold. Since this is not adjusting at all, I'm guessing something internally on the cartridge itself. Will post more as I find out more.
 

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That is definitely a Thermostatic valve. The other two handles are On/Off volume controls which you can't do with a pressure balance valve.

I'd be more inclined to think that is a Rohl tho I can't find that trim on their site.
 

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That is definitely a Thermostatic valve. The other two handles are On/Off volume controls which you can't do with a pressure balance valve.

I'd be more inclined to think that is a Rohl tho I can't find that trim on their site.

It's definitely not Grohe, They came back via email and said not theirs. Those two nobs are one for the rain shower and the other for the jets in the wall. so you think Thermostatic? At the old house I had a Grohe version that had printed temps. This just has hot cold. I emailed hansgrohe the pictures too to see if this is theirs?
 
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