Moen 1200 cartridge - can I just replace the rings??

[Nards01]

I have a used Moen 1200 (brass) cartridge. The shower was dripping so I replaced it with a 1225. I now need to fix a different shower and I'm wondering if can re-use the brass one by simply replacing the four o-rings on it?? I figure bad rings are really what causes it to leak correct???

 

[JohnjH2o1]

Replace the stem. If you call Moen's 800# they will send you a new stem free of charge.

John

 

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[Jimbo]

Repair kits are sold. If your time, and the risk of a call-back , are of no consequence, give it a shot. I never did it so I don't have any feel for the success rate of rebuilding these.

 

[hj]

There are three internal "O" rings and unless your time is completely worthless it is not a good idea to try to replace them. It takes a very special tool to extract them. The only time I have ever done it was when it was the only expedient way to fix the valve. 1-800-BUYMOEN will get you a new cartridge.

 

[wallhanger]

There are three internal "O" rings and unless your time is completely worthless it is not a good idea to try to replace them. It takes a very special tool to extract them. The only time I have ever done it was when it was the only expedient way to fix the valve. 1-800-BUYMOEN will get you a new cartridge.

Hi, re special tool. Is that something to remove that C clip at the top of the Brass Cartridge without it breaking your glasses or lodging in your forehead?

If so--being curious, what does it cost and where do you get one?

 

[Jeff H Young]

I took a 1200 apart tinkering never put it back in service. Ive spent a lot of time tinkering with stuff not worth my time so to speak, So on your own house if you have a spare cartridge and some o rings why not. Actually Ive got quite a supply of orings for diferant things like my pressure washer and I have calipers Save few bucks here and there but generaly not the best time spent unless figuring things out is satisfying to you. If you think changing oil on your own car is a waste of time then this is too. But I dont trust a teenager changing my oil lol

 

[wallhanger]

If so--being curious, what does it cost and where do you get one?

Never mind, they are not very "springy" and after a lot of "slipping off" I was able to get hold of an end of the clip with needlenose pliers and get it off the cartridge. I'm finding only 2 orings on the stem inside.

 

[wallhanger]

I can't find a way to delete posts and start over with specific replies to specific posts.

As far as op's question goes: there are orings on the outside, yes, but there are also orings on the inner stem.
You have to remove the snap ring holding the inner stem in and then pull the stem out.

The problem though, with the brass cartridges is that the metal itself will be damaged. The brass plating may be partly gone. The cartridge surface may be covered in mineral deposits. The brass plating will be worn from the cartridge. There will be oxidation, pits and striations. So even when you replace the orings and use silicone grease on the cartridge, you are still putting back in service metal which has surface damage which is likely equivalent to at least a minimum of 2-3 years of exposure to water, chemicals and minerals.

 

[wallhanger]

Old cartridges, repair kits. This picture won't expand so you can't see kit part numbers or corrosion damage. Ace 45487. Danco 89018.

The danco kit is needed for plastic cartridges if it is necessary to replace the rubber side panels.

I think the two largest o-rings are faucet spout o-rings for some kitchen faucets like my Moen Legend.

 

[TomDiRensselaer]

I purchased a replacement Moen 1200 brass cartridge and installed it. I gave the old one a vinegar bath to get rid of any buildup then polished with a brass brush. Nowhere did I find the sizes of the o-rings on the internet and Moen stated they do not have an o-ring kit. I took the cleaned up cartridge and the old o-rings to my True Value hardware store and the sizes needed are as follows:

Moen 1200 O-rings True Value Part #

1 - 11/16" ID X 7/8" OD 64812
2 - 1/2" ID X 11/16" OD 64807
2 - 7/16" ID X 5/8" OD 64806

I'm going to keep the restored old cartridge as a backup as a day will come when you won't be able to get the 1200 cartridge.

 

[Jeff H Young]

I purchased a replacement Moen 1200 brass cartridge and installed it. I gave the old one a vinegar bath to get rid of any buildup then polished with a brass brush. Nowhere did I find the sizes of the o-rings on the internet and Moen stated they do not have an o-ring kit. I took the cleaned up cartridge and the old o-rings to my True Value hardware store and the sizes needed are as follows:

Moen 1200 O-rings True Value Part #

1 - 11/16" ID X 7/8" OD 64812
2 - 1/2" ID X 11/16" OD 64807
2 - 7/16" ID X 5/8" OD 64806

I'm going to keep the restored old cartridge as a backup as a day will come when you won't be able to get the 1200 cartridge.

I totally geek out over measauring o rings and servicing stuff this way , suprised I havent done the moen 1200 I guess because I dont run into 1200s that are good but 1225 I dont really mess with. I have a bunch of mixet parts and complete rebuilt valves, hose bibs , etc I rebuild my pool valves try to get o rings from other sources etc. some might say and I cant really disagree I kinda waste my time. but I like to do a little tinkering in the garage . Illn save this info on a slip of paper put it in my oring drawer for referance Thanks

 

[Michael Young]

I have a used Moen 1200 (brass) cartridge. The shower was dripping so I replaced it with a 1225. I now need to fix a different shower and I'm wondering if can re-use the brass one by simply replacing the four o-rings on it?? I figure bad rings are really what causes it to leak correct???

yes. they sell a kit to rebuild. But don't bother. Just buy replacement cartridge. Yeah. it costs more. I don't know anybody who rebuilds them. Too much of a pain in the ass and we don't do callbacks. Doubtful you can find a plumber who would even attempt a rebuild. Be sure to pick up some plumbers grease when you buy the new cartridge. Makes everything go together a lot easier.

 

[Jeff H Young]

I dont go rebuild cartridges either on customers homes.