Major water sediment problem: any idea what these black flakes are?

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Temp945

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A flurry of posts today...but this one is by far the most important!

So today I installed a water pressure relief tank. I did not have one before and kept the water heater temperature at 120F. I just increased it to 140F after installing the pressure relief tank.

After the hybrid heater (GE Geospring) heat pump ran for a while, I removed the filter from a faucet and ran the hot water to purge any pollution resulting from today's work.

The attached photo is what is coming out when I run the hot water! YIKES!!! I have run about 10 gallons of water through and the situation does not appear to be improving.

The black pollution appear to be flakes, not round or rockish. When I touch them, they smear (first photo of finger). I can clean the smear off my finger with a paper towel, but it actually leaves a stain that is resistant to being cleaned off (second photo of finger). There is no smell. In addition to the flakes, the water is turned grey.

A few bits of info which may help:

1) The cold water does not have any pollution.
2) The water heater is about 5 years old.
3) The water lines are all new PEX, except for about 10 feet to and from the water heater that go into a concrete slab. Those lines are 1960s galvanized steel.
4) I drained the water heater about 1.5 years ago and did not notice any black flakes come out of it. However, the drainage was very slow and I assumed that there was a clog in the small factory drain spout.
5) About a year ago the city was doing some work to the neighborhood water system and one time I noticed a large amount of blackish water come out of the bathtub spout. I assumed this was a one-time issue with the water supply, but it seems that the pollution may have been on my side of the meter and the city work may have fooled me.
6) I have never had the water temperature higher than 120F since I installed the water heater, until today (set at 140F but it is still running so the temperature is lower than that).
7) I always run the water heater in "heat pump" mode which means that the electric elements never energize; all the water is heated with the heat pump only.

I really appreciate any help! My hot water is unusable for now :(
 

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Does your WH have braided flex supply lines?

How about the bathtub?
 

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I do have braided flex supply lines on the water heater. They are the same age as the water heater - about 5 years old.

The bathtub is gone - replaced several months ago with a shower when I remodeled the bathroom.
 

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Thanks Reach - so it is either the heat trap nipples or the braided water heater hoses.

My guess is the heat trap nipples. One other thing I noticed is that when I am flushing the hot water, I get some spurting. My guess is that this is the disintegrating rubber inside the nipples.

It looks like I will be replacing both the water hoses and the heat trap nipples immediately!
 

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I remembered that I actually have a spare braided hose on hand so I quickly swapped out the hot line for the unused but identical braided hose. The black flakes immediately disappeared. Phew!

Wow - those braided hoses are garbage! I can't believe they manufacture them and the home stores sell them! I will be removing them and replacing with the corrugated copper lines I purchased ASAP.

I also had a look inside of the water heater's hot nipple with a flashlight. I can't tell if it has a heat trap nipple or not. There is no rubber gasket at the top of it and I can see through a couple inches with no sign of a rubber gasket. Is there any way to distinguish a heat trap nipple from a dielectric nipple?

After doing some reading it sounds like I do not need a heat trap nipple because my hot line goes down (into the slab), not up.
 

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Wow - those braided hoses are garbage! I can't believe they manufacture them and the home stores sell them! I will be removing them and replacing with the corrugated copper lines I purchased ASAP.
I am thinking that some braided lines are probably good, but how would you know which is which?

Apparently not all corrugated lines are good also: https://terrylove.com/forums/index....ater-corrugated-connection-kit-leaking.92297/

Seeking out Falcon Mega-flow may be worthwhile.

More: https://terrylove.com/forums/index....ater-corrugated-connection-kit-leaking.92297/
 
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I agree completely, Reach. In my view the problem is that although *some* Chinese products are OK, others are junk and it is often difficult or impossible to distinguish between them. What's worse is that Chinese manufacturers often don't keep production *consistent* so an item that is OK one year is junk the next.

I purchased Sioux Chief corrugated copper lines:
https://www.supplyhouse.com/Sioux-C...rugated-Hose-Water-Heater-Connector-24-Length
Made in USA - hopefully an indicator that they were built with good raw material and made to last.
 
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