13 1/2" rough, Toto Carlyle

Discussion in 'Toilet Forum discussions' started by lexilooooo, Sep 29, 2004.

  1. lexilooooo

    lexilooooo New Member

    Sep 28, 2004
    I just started a small DIY bath remodel and I was surprised to find that my toilet has a 13 1/2" rough. The two other toilets in the house are exactly the same, but the rough is at 12". It looks like a 12" toilet was install because I have a 2 inch gap between the toilet and the wall, that was hidden by the counter bango.

    Now I need to replace the toilet, the bango is no longer going to be on the wall so the 2" gap will be seen. How do I fix this?

    -Will the Toto Carlyle with concealed trapway that is field adjustable work? Is the Carlyle as good as the UltraMax.

    -Do I need to get a plumber out her and move the rough (bathroom is on second floor).

    -Do I learn to live with the 2" gap?

    -Expo mentioned they could order something to adjust, but that just scares me. I'm already concerned about going to low flow toilets.

    What are my options?

    Any help would be appreciated.


    Kris :eek: :confused:

    With the 14" Unifit, you would have 1/4" behind the toilet.
    With the 12" that coms with the Carlyle, you would have 2 1/4" of space.
    On the Carlyle, the water supply needs to be 7" to the left of center.
    If it is closer it will hit the back.
    Terry Love
    Last edited by a moderator: Oct 1, 2004
  2. e-plumber

    e-plumber DIY Senior Member

    Sep 1, 2004
    New York
    13 1/2" Rough

    One option would be to install a 14" toilet, it should fit.
    You would need to get the cut sheet for the exact toilet that you're interested in and confirm that it will fit.
    Toto's website and most all fixture manufacturers have this info available.
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  4. jimbo

    jimbo Plumber

    Aug 31, 2004
    San Diego, CA
    Toto has something called a "unifit" adapter. I am not familiar with how it works, but Terry Love hopefully will weigh in or if ot you could e-mail him. He is the Toto Guru!
  5. jadnashua

    jadnashua Retired Defense Industry Engineer xxx

    Sep 2, 2004
    Retired Systems engineer for defense industry.
    New England
    You really need to get the manufacturer's spec sheet for the specific toilet you want. The Toto (not all of them use this) unifit adapter comes in 10, 12, and 14" versions. Basically, this adapter has the trap (at least it appears to), the toilet mates with the adapter. You mount the adapter over the toilet flange, bolt it to the floor (it takes not only the flange's bolts, but I think 4 more in the floor), then set the toilet on the neck that fits up from the adapter. The toilet has a rubber gasket that seals it to the unifit adapter. Then the toilet is bolted to the adapter. They use different length traps in the adapters to move the body of the toilet away from the wall the desired offset.
  6. jadnashua

    jadnashua Retired Defense Industry Engineer xxx

    Sep 2, 2004
    Retired Systems engineer for defense industry.
    New England
    I just looked at the Toto spec sheet for the toilet - it appears that there is 3/4" clearance between the back of the toilet and the wall on a standard install. If you went with the 14" Unifit adapter, you'd have 1/4". This would leave no room for the baseboard, and if the wall wasn't plumb, you may have other problems. BUT, it looks like it would work. Double-check your model and how plumb your walls are - you may be able to live with 1/4" verses the design 3/4". This may be better than the 1-3/4" you'd have if you went with the 12" rough unifit.
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