Toto Vespin II or Kohler Cimarron?

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  1. tarnator

    tarnator New Member

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    I need 4 toilets for a new house and have narrowed it down to these 2 based on wanting a skirted base, elongated seat, and a lever not a button.

    These 2 seem to fit the bill, but I have never used one in real life, so I am looking to see if anyone has any real world experience? Quiet? Reliable? Easy to clean?

    Thanks!
     
  2. Reach4

    Reach4 Well-Known Member

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    Cimarron is not skirted. Not all Kohler Cimarrons are skirted. These are the skirted Kohler offerings.

    https://www.us.kohler.com/us/browse/bathroom-toilets/_/N-2569Z1z11va3Z1z123eh

    I have the Toto Vespin II. It flushes well and reliably. Its main attraction for me was that the Unfit adapted well to my rough-in. I would not say it is quiet, nor would I call it noisy. It is a little noisier than the old toilet that it replaced, but I only noticed the difference in the first week or so. I think the all-ceramic toilets are probably a little quieter.
     
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  4. tarnator

    tarnator New Member

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    I thought 'skirted' meant concealed p-trap - or whatever the back of the toilet base was! Need to brush up on terminology, i guess. Well, whatever the Cimarron is, looks OK to me.
     
  5. jadnashua

    jadnashua Retired Defense Industry Engineer xxx

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    When it comes to quality, I prefer Toto to Kohler. Note, the list prices of any of these will be higher than what most places charge. The Vespin (all of the 'II' models) use a neater flush and bowl cleaning

    Vespin II.jpg
    Cimmarron.jpg

    The Toto Vespin has smooth sides (skirted)...the Cimarron does not so could gather more dust and stuff.
     
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  6. tarnator

    tarnator New Member

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    This is so weird....

    This is the image of the Cimarron that I have - definitely skirted in this image. Is this new?
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  7. jadnashua

    jadnashua Retired Defense Industry Engineer xxx

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    You're right...it is confusing since Kohler shows a bunch of Cimarron toilets...the one I included is one that is (or was?) available for a long time...I just didn't scroll down far enough. I still think the Toto is a better toilet.
     
  8. Reach4

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    That system does not require drilling the extra 4 holes that the Vespin II Unifit needs, for a 12 inch rough-in.
     
  9. jadnashua

    jadnashua Retired Defense Industry Engineer xxx

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    FWIW, with the right tools, drilling those four holes for the Unifit adapter adds maybe 15-minutes to the job. I still think the Toto is a better toilet.
     
  10. Reach4

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    Clearly you were much much faster than I was. And I only had ceramic. If it was porcelain, it would have been much harder still.
     
  11. jadnashua

    jadnashua Retired Defense Industry Engineer xxx

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    A good diamond bit and that's about what it takes on porcelain. Quicker on many stones, and softer ceramics, and almost no time if it's just vinyl as you may not even need a pilot hole there.
     
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