Toto Ultramax II model numbers do not match

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  1. LisaLu99

    LisaLu99 New Member

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    We just installed the Toto Ultramax II 1.28 gpf toilet. I ordered model # MS604114cefg#01 and the box also has this same model number.

    Inside the tank lid the model is marked as # CST604CEFGT. Does anyone know if this is the same toilet that I ordered? I was expecting a more powerful flush than it has and found some reviews online saying the toilets inside some Toto boxes are not what is marked on the box (people ordering Ultramaxs and getting Ultimas).

    Any input? I was very leery of the 1.28 gpf toilet and will be especially wary if I didn't even get what I ordered. Thank you in advance.
     
  2. Reach4

    Reach4 Well-Known Member

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    What do you have, a two-piece or a one-piece?
     
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  4. LisaLu99

    LisaLu99 New Member

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    It is a one piece.
     
  5. Terry

    Terry Administrator Staff Member

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    It's the new model with the Tower flush valve.
    They sell that one as a MS604114CEFG

    CST604CEFG (T) for the toilet
    114 for the seat.

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  6. SteveW

    SteveW DIY Senior Member

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    Terry,
    What's up with the tower flush valve? Do you see this as a future problem (like in some other brands)?

    One of Toto's many selling points is (or was?) that they use off-the-shelf fill and flush valves so you don't get a nasty surprise down the road when they need replaced.
     
  7. Terry

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    It looks like one more part to carry now, and the home centers will also need to get up to speed on it.
    I was having troubles with one of the Korky replacement flappers on some one-piece TOTO flushvalves. Lately I've been using the Fluidmaster 3" flapper on them. Now I will be adding the Tower seal to the vans.
     
  8. SteveW

    SteveW DIY Senior Member

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    QUOTE "Now I will be adding the Tower seal to the vans.
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    Just like Rosanna Rosannadana used to say, "It's always somethin'!"
     
  9. w1art

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    BUMP! (Hope this is OK...)
    This same situation surprised me! My v.07 version spec sheet clearly states 1.28GPF and so doesn't the sticker on the side of my Ultramax 2 box. But when I opened the box and checked the model information stamped on the tank it clearly states 1.0GPF. So how can I tell what the actual GPF is for the toilet I have. Like LisaLu, I read reviews on the 1.28 which look good overall, but the 1.0 isn't what I expected or bargained for, nor wanted.
    Maybe someone can tell me what is the critical design criteria which actually controls the GPF. I have no idea. I am wondering if it is the tank parameters, the fill valve parameters (maybe second order), or the flapper / tower (in this case)? The reason why I ask is I would like to know if there is a way to change the GPF. Maybe it can be tweaked. I would hate to have to send back the two Ultramax 2s I just bought. I will try to include the pics below...

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  10. Terry

    Terry Administrator Staff Member

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    The porcelain is the same in both the 1.0 and the 1.28
    It's the flush valve that is the difference.

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    The 1.0 gallon flush

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    The 1.28 gallon flush tower.

    Either way, you can hold the handle and get even more water for the flush.
     
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