Thanks for the help. Looks like I'll have to figure out another way to do this. I'm trying to raise the trap outlet so that I can fit a can light under the trap for the shower below. The reason it can't go up higher is that the santee pictured in the model doesn't actually exist, instead there is a double fixture fitting for the drain for the bathtub which can't be moved. I just didn't want to take the time to model the other drain.
I made that in Google Sketchup 6. I haven't tried Sketchup 7 yet but it looks nicer. Both are free but you can buy a pro version for $95. The pro version would be overkill for me, but it may be justifiable for pitching proposal to clients for pros.
Its really easy to learn and there are many "components" such as sinks and cabinets and fixtures that can be downloaded. I don't know how good it would be for pipes, as its kind of difficult to rotate and line up fittings, but for layout and design its great.