MOENTROL valve questions

[ozark01]

I have a Moentrol shower valve that no water will come out of the showerhead. The handle will not pull out at all. The valve has had all of the temperature stops removed before I got there and the valve is pretty much a mess. The problem is that the valve backs up to a vanity so to replace it will involve removing the vanity that is built in. My questions are:

1 - What replacement cartridge does a Moentrol valve use?

2 - What is the odds of getting the balancing valve out? I have read that the odds are 50/50.

3 - What is the odds of getting the valve cartridge out?

The house was built in 1998 i have been told and is used during the summer so it sits vacant a lot of the time. The water in the area is well water and is very hard.

 

[Breplum]

I suggest an experienced plumber do this.
the cartridge is basic 1225
I've never not gotten a balancing spool out.
there are valve removal tools and the trick of spinning the cartridge first to free up in the valve body

 

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[hj]

I have ALWAYS gotten the spool, although not always in one piece.

 

[Jeff H Young]

moentrol, 1225 cartridge , ok but what are you guys talking about ballance spools for ? are we talkin 1222? Im suprised a houise from 98 has old school moen but thats the story.
there is a very good sticky thread on how to change old 1200 or 1225 cartridges

 

[Breplum]

moentrol, 1225 cartridge , ok but what are you guys talking about ballance spools for ? are we talkin 1222? Im suprised a houise from 98 has old school moen but thats the story.
there is a very good sticky thread on how to change old 1200 or 1225 cartridges

Moentrol refers to the push pull cartridge body with a capped separate balancing spool that can be serviced.

 

[Jeff H Young]

Moentrol refers to the push pull cartridge body with a capped separate balancing spool that can be serviced.

Thanks, Ill be damned it takes the standard cartridge with the ballance spool seperate I never worked on that one just the older one and then I did a lot of the later ones the 1222 thanks for coming back with that!

 

[Breplum]

It was an early pressure balance device but, I hate the old push pull Moen cartridges as they get hard to operate pretty quickly.
And, those long screwdriver slots are not particularly deep.

 

[Jeff H Young]

I seen them but never messed with the spool I guess. Shallow slots yea