Empty space under toilet flange

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I renovated my bathroom and opted to buy the Oatey toilet flange extender instead of replacing my old toilet flange. I just went to install it and realized that my old toilet flange has space underneath it. From what I understand I have to screw the extension flange into the concrete below the old flange, but there’s just empty space beneath. It looks completely intentional, but I am having a hard time finding examples of other flanges like this. Does anyone know why there is a huge space underneath and if there is a way to make this compatible with a flange extender instead of replacing it?
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A big part of the job of a closet flange is to hold the toilet down. There are normally screws to hold the flange down. Your installation is not at all usual. I presume you are on a slab.
 

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Not unusuall at all we used to wrap the pipe with card board foam wrap or a cardboard sleeve called a closet protector then afer the slab was poured remove the paper foam or whatever and glue the flange on often omitting any screws and kinda hope for the best kinda sloppy but common ... or pour some mortar mix after and bend some brass screws and push them into the wet mortar mix to hold the ring from lifting.
its pretty common to see jobs like yours that securing the flange is literaly an after thought
 

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I guess you then avoid putting much torque on the closet bolt nuts, and you rely on the caulk to hold the toilet from sliding.

Tokun: how about a DANCO Model 10672X Hydroseat to hold the closet bolts?

You could also use a repair flange with ears to provide a good hold-down for closet bolts.
Superior Model # 21015 repair ring has mounting tabs outside.
PASCO 21013 is similar in red
Jones Stephens C85000 is similar in blue.
 

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I guess you then avoid putting much torque on the closet bolt nuts, and you rely on the caulk to hold the toilet from sliding.

Tokun: how about a DANCO Model 10672X Hydroseat to hold the closet bolts?

You could also use a repair flange with ears to provide a good hold-down for closet bolts.
Superior Model # 21015 repair ring has mounting tabs outside.
PASCO 21013 is similar in red
Jones Stephens C85000 is similar in blue.
Just to clarify, I would be screwing through the holes in the ears into concrete slab on the outside of the flange? The flange also needs to be raised 3/4". Am I able to use the flange extender with these repair flanges?
 

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Just to clarify, I would be screwing through the holes in the ears into concrete slab on the outside of the flange? The flange also needs to be raised 3/4". Am I able to use the flange extender with these repair flanges?
I have no relevant experience.

As I envision it, if you used the a repair ring with ears, what you would do would depend on how much space there is between the top of the spacers and the repair ring.
1. If a gap, you would screw the spacers to the ring with silicone adhesive between the layers. Then the closet bolts would only be thru the repair ring

2. If there is no gap between the spacers and the repair ring, I see the closet bolts going through the whole stack. I still see some adhesive between the layers. Alternatively, I guess I could see caulk or wax between the layers.

If you used the Danco hydroseat, I picture you holding the rings together to the closet flange with bolts. The hydroseat would be above. The wax under the hydroseat would easily fill the gap.

Alternatively, with the hydroseat, I could see no rings, and instead stacking enough wax rings to make the wax squish when you bring the Hydroseat down. The horn on the hydroseat would deflect some pressure from plunging that might blow out a thick wax section otherwise.

If you install a Hydroseat or expansion ring with ears, you will have to drill clearance holes through the tile, and then be careful to center the pilot hole into the concrete below. Drilling ceramic tile is hard, but not that hard. Drilling porcelain tile is very hard -- in both senses.
 

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you could bust off pieces of the existing ring and get even more cement making it quite thick to where Id be confident in it holding, was the existing flange real loose or wobbly ? I dont see a problem with my idea I just looked at the hydroseat Im not impressed the bolts to hold toilet down are integral non replaceable that thing is forieghn to me and I dont see a need perhaps its easy to install and reliable but I never used one it looks like it uses no wax too ?
 

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you could bust off pieces of the existing ring and get even more cement making it quite thick to where Id be confident in it holding, was the existing flange real loose or wobbly ? I dont see a problem with my idea I just looked at the hydroseat Im not impressed the bolts to hold toilet down are integral non replaceable that thing is forieghn to me and I dont see a need perhaps its easy to install and reliable but I never used one it looks like it uses no wax too ?
Hydroseat uses wax under it. I think that wax is pretty protected against stress.

It does not call for wax above it.
 
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