Toto annoyances after many years

Discussion in 'Toilet Forum discussions' started by ajalberg, Feb 8, 2012.

  1. ajalberg

    ajalberg New Member

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    I am getting older, but am still ambulatory - I am male, and like many males I get a little drawn up in the morning. As it is early and my eyes are still asleep, I often sit to pee. With the new self closing toilet seat, I find I am peeing between the seat and the rim of the toilet as often as not. Now this may seem like a silly problem, but it really is beginning to _ _ _s me off. Some times I stand up and have peed all over my underwear. I also find that all my Drake toilets smell a little like urine between twice monthly maid service( not from the peeing between the seat, as I clorox spray the toilet every time). After watching the rinse patterns, I can see that none of my Drake Toto's do a good job of totally rinsing the bowl. I even find the same problem in a new ultramax one piece I installed in my downstairs bath. I am looking for something new and probably a cyclonic rinse that is not set so low that it gets splattered on. The cyclonic Toto looks like it is low enough in the bowl that you might have to resort to hand cleaning after a messy toilet episode, which nullifies the whole cyclonic cleaning feature.I'm also interested in not wetting myself in the morning.
  2. Joe Six Pack

    Joe Six Pack New Member

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    Dude, any seat you use will let you pee on your underwear. You don't take any responiblity for peeing your'self?

    He'res a tip, hold you r thing that you pee with, and pint it down.
  3. jadnashua

    jadnashua Retired Defense Industry Engineer xxx

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    Was there caulk installed around the base of the toilet? If not, any dribbles can easily get down and flow partially underneath the toilet, eventually smelling pretty raunchy. That's one reason why most codes require it. The other reason is to help hold the toilet in place...not a big deal on say vinal since the toilet will 'dig' in and probably stick, but much more of an issue on say hard, smooth tile. Toilets come in both round and elongated, if yours is round, next one, buy an elongated one. And, you'll find that an ADA or comfort height toilet will be much easier on you than the older, lower ones as well.
  4. arfeller

    arfeller New Member

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    Once I stop laughing I'll put some serious thought into a solution. I'm not sure if this is a troll....

    Some thoughts, do you have an elongated bowl or round? I think an elongated bowl would help with this problem. I don't suspect it is related to the brand as toilets all use the same seat sizes (well most) so I think you would have this problem regardless. I have the toto ultramax with a washlet and absolutely love this toilet. Best toilet i have ever had.
  5. Hackney plumbing

    Hackney plumbing Homeowner

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    I would bring that same discussion up the next time you go to your DR. Maybe he can suggest how to better take care of your problem than a plumber could.
  6. Gary Swart

    Gary Swart In the Trades

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    You know there is a very simple answer to this, and it won't cost you a cent. Sit down. Yes, I know men are "supposed" to stand, but trust me, it won't make you less of a man to sit. As we age, a lot of us lose the flow power we used to have and tend to dribble toward the end. Sitting saves all of that problem too. Been sittin' for years.
  7. Hackney plumbing

    Hackney plumbing Homeowner

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    My man says he is already sitting. Sounds like a problem we cant help with.
  8. Gary Swart

    Gary Swart In the Trades

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    Didn't notice the statement that he was already sitting. My error there. I will bet you have a round bowl. We constantly advise folks that round bowls are not male friendly. This is exactly what we mean by that statement. You might try sitting back more, but that's not a sure thing.
  9. Hackney plumbing

    Hackney plumbing Homeowner

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    You know what they say.....the shorter horses have to stand closer to the trough. In this case even sitting is not close enough. Thats rough.
  10. Terry

    Terry Administrator Staff Member

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    I think Joe Six Pack had the answer there.
    It's a directional thing.
  11. ajalberg

    ajalberg New Member

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    I thought I might have to deal with some bathroom humor, as of course we humans are mostly embarrassed by our toilet rituals - stall doors fans etc. But I thought this site was one where actual professionals could have some sort of intelligent discourse. I would like to know if anyone knows why men's urinals always look like an elephant has whizzed on the floor. If you can answer that question correctly, then I will be interested in your comments.
    I am no longer a fan of Toto toilets. I have witnessed them clogging in many more setting than you can imagine. I also despise the Uni Fit drain kit. If you look at it carefully, you will see that when they manufacture the curve, they crimp the flow from a cylinder to an oval. That's why they make ell's for copper tubing, as when you bend tubing, you restrict the flow. Plus they have created a hard edge where the pipe turns down. I actually lost $1,500 on a job in which I installed 2 Guenivere toilets for an older woman who wanted ADA toilets. I installed the toilets, and she called me back to complain about them not flushing completely. I observed that she was correct, and yanked them out at my expense and installed the Ultra max for her - no kit. Better flush, but I ate the toilet cost.
    So if Bill Gates doesn't like the Toto, then I feel like I'm in decent company. I also designed and built furniture for many years, and I know seating pretty well. Mongoloid bodies are normally smaller in stature than Caucasian, and being Caucasian, Toto toilets just don't fit my butt. And call me OCD, but I can't stand to see any toilet in my house with flecks of crap hanging around the bowl after my wife, a guest, or myself, flushes the toilet. I'm old enough to know that the old cyclonics cleaned the bowl well, even if they did stop up fairly well also. And for the most part they never smelled - I'm not blaming the 1.6 toilets in general, as I am really against defecating and urinating into the water I also drink. Bottom line, is I'm wondering if any of you serious builders/plumbers or research oriented folks have researched any of the other toilets out there - their seat comfort - their ability to self clean - and last but not least - the ability to be clog free. By the way, I usually only install the elongated bowl, as with the round ones, I end up hurting myself as my whizzer smacks the seat, which incidentally causes me to grab and aim. I do have a urinal in my bathroom, and generally use it except when I'm in early my morning stupor. I also have a bidet in both my and my wife's bath. So really, I'm not a moron, and I am asking a reasonable question
  12. Terry

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    I've sold more then 150 of the Guinvere and Soiree collection. Funny that most of that is repeat sales, and they don't have the complaints that you do.

    The seats on those bowls are fairly flat.
    The seats on the old Ultramax had some dish, but the new seats have been redesigned to be fairly flat.

    If someone is constantly constantly plugging up a 1.6 bowl, then you fall into the medical condition bowl requirements.

    Caroma dual flush from Australia
    Kohler Highline pressure assist with Flushmate

    Medical conditions with toilets

    Neither one of these will wipe down the bowl for you, but they should handle your solids and paper.

    You will still have to aim though. Even the kids are taught to aim.

    Here is the outlet of the Caroma 305 bowl with 3" trapway.

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  13. ballvalve

    ballvalve General Engineering Contractor

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    Maybe a 1/8 dose of that little blue pill at bedtime, and remember to point before you shoot would solve it all.

    A open front seat would be your easiest ticket.
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  14. ajalberg

    ajalberg New Member

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    I have no doubt that you have sold many Guinivere's as that is what you do. And I was not putting all the blame on the Guenevere. I'm talking about Toto's in places I have installed them, all of different makes and ages. And as a matter of the not flushing, it was her loose stools that wouldn't flush clean for this particular lady. As I was replacing her low Toto Ultra Max toilets with the Guenevere, I had a very good testing method. Her original old Ultra Max and the replacement new Ultra Max without the floor kit both worked just fine. I also gave my sister both Guinevere's and installed them in her house, after I spent some time sanding down the rough edges inside the floor kit so it would flow as perfectly as possible, they both seem to work fine.My real issue is with the kit, and the fact they squeeze a round circle into an oval. Now not being a fluid mechanical engineer, I can't say for certain that constraining a round pipe by squeezing it instead of forming it into a full circular trap, but as far as I'm concerned it does constrain and limit the 3" initial toilet opening to some degree. As far as flushing, try missing a full flush(slipping your hand off the lever) with a Toto and then re flush it again, and see if you can't get it to stop up. I've done that myself hurriedly several times with my Toto's. I know you like, and promote, the Toto products, and saying I no longer love Toto's is somewhat blasphemous. Even though I no longer love them, I have installed and recommended them to all my family and friends houses. I only have Toto. But as a retired General Contractor, I used to just buy what everybody said was the best, or at least what my budget and plumber had in mind. As a consumer, I now have the advantage to make judgements based on my own personal experience. I learned many years ago why men's urinals look like a pee storm when I was active in Gen Contracting. All my contractor friends wanted to be preppy, so all of us wore Polo shirts khacki shorts and Topsiders - I guess to show we really were gentlemen contractors. The first time I peed in a urinal wearing shorts, I realized it wasn't guys with bad aim that peed on the floor, it was blowback and splatter of our own urine. So aim all you want boys, you are still going to have urine on your pants or legs whenever you use a urinal. I still wear shorts as much of the year as possible, and have used every conceivable type of urinal. They all spatter back on you. It sort of creeps me out, but when you gotta go...That being said, I think urinals are poorly designed based on personal observation. Same with toilet seats. As I am now somewhat of a sculpture, I am going to re make a Toto Seat so that it fits comfortably. Geeze, I was just wondering if anyone on the whole internet world had experience with comfortable toilet seats that were ergonomically correct. And yes my mom did teach me how to aim. That being said, I will continue my own lonely research, and as Jimmy Valvano once said" never ever give up" Thanks for your input, and Ciao
  15. Terry

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    You should be able to push down and release; that gives you a 1.28 gallon flush.

    If you have to hold the handle down and empty the tank, then there is something wrong somewhere.

    If the bowl isn't full to begin with, like the fill tube is not directed into the overflow, then you will get a partial flush.

    And for some people, I sell the Caroma and the Kohler pressure assist.


    I have the Unifit installed in my main bath.

    I see a few manufactures advertising no splash urinals. It is a problem.
    The old Gerber Pressure assist from ten years ago, used to spray your leg when you stood near it and flushed. That's been fixed with the later ones.

    Kohler
    http://www.us.kohler.com/onlinecatalog/waterlessurinal.jsp?sect=1&section=2&nsection=2&nsubsection=2
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  16. Terry

    Terry Administrator Staff Member

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    Here are a few urinals that I believe are designed with less splashback in mind.

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    Kohler K-4917

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    American Standard

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    TOTO UT104
  17. ballvalve

    ballvalve General Engineering Contractor

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    They must have been to Rome and Paris and New York and Chicago, where no hydraulic engineer would have ever built anything but an oval sewer in the days of brick and mud.
  18. Runs with bison

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    I'm still a bit puzzled by this one. Either the original poster has a lot more hydraulic pressure than most of us (urinal blowback) or simply doesn't aim. For me aiming isn't necessary when seated with an elongated (it's necessary with a round though simply to avoid unwanted contact with the rim...yeck!) If you aim straight forward, expect spatter from a urinal. I've always been more concerned about any dribble effect than spatter--another reason I like elongated toilets.

    My little boy has tremendous hydraulic pressure and generally doesn't aim at night. His results match the OP's. When I've made him sit he had the same problem.

    Haven't used an adaptor so I don't know if that is the source of incomplete flush issues, but the three Drake 1.28 gpf toilets I've installed have been flawless--completely unlike the old 1994 toilets they replaced.

    I will agree however, that the back of the bowl rinse is not as vigorous on the original Drake. So I am tempted to try a Drake II. (Terry can this be done simply with a bowl swap or is the tank different too?)
  19. ballvalve

    ballvalve General Engineering Contractor

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    Why arent ALL toilet seats open fronted? Who needs that area to crush your gonads at night and women to rub their privates on? And how the hell do they aim? They have some weird plumbing.

    The kids toilet inserts often have a nice splash shield - maybe a utility knife and a tupperware bowl would make a nice adult flow director.
  20. shree

    shree New Member

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    Urine splashback on female parts

    Speaking of urine splashback, ever since the popularity of the elongated bowls, I have come to DESPISE them. With the shape of the bowl, for my female anatomy, the urine hits the portion of the elongated bowl that is not covered with the water spot and I am often drenched with urine all over my legs, bottom, etc. Due to the popularity of these in the workplace, it's a daily disgusting occurrence. It's not that I am not sitting back far enough, I am 6'1" and sit all the way back, so I am assuming that it must be happening to women everywhere.

    As I am searching for a replacement toilet for my home, I am disappointed to find fewer round bowls these days. The other option would be a washdown toilet as the bowls in these have steep sides and nothing seems to splash. Good luck with that as those are very $$$$ on my budget. Combining that with needing a tall toilet and I am looking at a $400 toilet- help! Suggestions, anyone?
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