Trouble in paradise (UK)

[SteveW]

Cookie - well said! I think you are absolutely right. Comedians say, "Timing is everything!" Same is true in health care. A way to save cost (as is obviously being done in the UK) is to simply drag your feet in getting people in to see the proper specialist. Sure, you can see your GP within a couple days, but he/she is not the one going to prescribe your Rituxan.

It is really, really hypocritical of the NHS, and its proponents, to act like they are so generous compared to the US. Sure, everyone is covered - but you do get to wait in, what do the British call them? "Queues?" You really do not want to have a rare form of cancer, especially if it is rapidly growing, in England. Like Cookie says, you'll die waiting.

The British are very patient when waiting in their queues.

 

[Cookie]

I have to laugh, cause "you" know, I know ... Knowledge is power, and this, I can honestly, say, "I know it all." (without being a smart alec) The doctors laugh Ian, they ask me what I think they should do. lol. AND, I tell them.

Steve, you are funny. I watch Seinfield all the time, and laugh at them. I love Kramer. I was laughing at a friend, because she was down to one kid, one cat, now she got all the kids home again, 4 kids, 1 cat, 2 kittens a dog, LOL, she was looking forward to the empty nest sydrome. That is funny.

You know, how much money they save Steve because people do not get there in time? Alot... therefore, if you think about it, they seriously do not get diagnosed either, so, those stats are tainted. This is a fact.

yes, you die waiting. That is unthinkable.

 

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[Ian Gills]

Look, the bottom line is show me where all the dead and sick British and Canadians are that are being denied access to healthcare? You can't because they do not exist.

I can show you where all the sick and dying poor, uninsured Americans are. They are waiting in Hospital Emergency Rooms for tens of hours for their "free" treatment. Which isn't free at all because all they do in America for the unisured is "diagnose" and "stabilize" i.e. not cure.

See how long you get a hospital bed for in America if you turn up uninsured versus anyone in the UK or anyone insured in the US.

The awkward truth is that the UK and Canada can afford to provide universal healthcare because it is much cheaper in these countries. Yep, we pay much less for the same drugs than you do. Why? Because when there is only one buyer (i.e. the Government) you tend to get a heck of a deal.

American healthcare is just so unnecessarily expensive and that will be your downfall. Unless the sick and poor get to you first.

Change the system.

So, yes they would treat you Cookie. Because all of the stuff you need is just so much cheaper there. And the rich would pay for it too through higher taxes!

 

[Terry]

I just watched "The King's Speech" last night. I enjoyed the movie.

 

[Cookie]

Ian, keep an eye on your healthcare it is going to change. That is a fact.

Ps. Actually, Ian, I went the distance to find out exactly "when" someone like me would be treated in your country; I did this, because I wanted to enter that data into the seminar, well, Ian, I would had been tx' somewhere in the ballpark of 8 months.

That is not acceptable.

Sheez, I almost forgot. They would not use Rituxan. The "only" drug effective on me.

 

[SteveW]

Anyone who says health care is not rationed in a particular system is just plain wrong, or at least naive. Health care is expensive. No way around it. In the US, admittedly some folks are not currently well served because they don't have insurance.

In the England, everyone is covered, but they DO WAIT. Cookie once again nailed it. A very effective way to control costs is to DELAY treatment. If they delay it enough, problem goes away.

 

[Ian Gills]

I just watched "The King's Speech" last night. I enjoyed the movie.

Glad you enjoyed it. Speech impediments are treated free of charge under the English health system.

Americans could still have a King if they wanted to. We would take you back.

You liked the Royal wedding as well, I betcha.

See.....kings are good.

 

[Cookie]

Easter Seals will also treat speech problems for free, or on a pay-scale, as well as many other places.

I think, the 33 Million paid for security of that wedding was a bit much. Imagine, what all good for your country that kind of money could had done, or sent overseas to help an other country in strife.

And, I betcha, if given a choice, which they didn't have, they wouldn't had picked something so pretentious.

 

[Jerome2877]

Seriously! How about the trillions of dollers the US has spent in Iraq and Afganistan! That could pay for everyone to have healthcare. Maybe they could HAD spent some on teaching proper grammer in your schools!

 

[Cookie]

There are many places everyone can attend seminars to learn about healthcare even in their own countries, I would suggest going. A one-size fit all healthcare for everyone is not effective; for many, whose country has it, this won't be seen personally, until, met with dire circumstances then, it may be too late. This is an honest fact. Honestly, there is no such thing as a free lunch.

 

[Pipehacker]

Easter Seals will also treat speech problems for free, or on a pay-scale, as well as many other places.

I think, the 33 Million paid for security of that wedding was a bit much. Imagine, what all good for your country that kind of money could had done, or sent overseas to help an other country in strife.

And, I betcha, if given a choice, which they didn't have, they wouldn't had picked something so pretentious.

If any person reading this is in need of a speech pathologist for children, even preschoolers, they should be able to obtain the same through their local school system as part of federal legislation known as Free Access to Public Education. The child is eligible even if enrolled in private school. Contact your local school district and if you get nowhere, your local area education agency. In our experience, this is a situation where the squeaky wheel gets the grease, so get accurately informed about your child's condition before you contact the school and do not necessarily accept at face value the first proposal for services made by the school. You may be asked to sign an Individual Education Plan, or IEP. Make sure, before you agree to such a plan, that it contains a high level of service. You can always agree to reduce the service level after it is signed, but it is very difficult to increase the service level after a lower level has been agreed to.

Terry is right about The Kings Speech, it is a good movie.

I am in favor of expanding Medicare to lower age levels. We need cost control in health care and this is the only way I can see to get it. Also, it is cheaper to insure 55 year olds than 65 year olds, and the actuarial information I have seen is that a 55 year old could be insured under Medicare for less than he/she could in a private plan. Therefore, the 55 year olds could help reduce the Medicare premiums for 65+ Medicare patients and at the same time lower the cost of private insurance as 55 year olds are more expensive to insure than 45 year olds.

 

[Cookie]

Within the public school system in the lower grade level I educated special needs which included fine motor skills, and, those with developmental reading disorders (DRD), dyslexia, etc, ( as even with my own son), and the cost? Free, within the public school system. It never ceases to amaze me to what extent other countries fall short in the understanding of the US. Yet, so many are referred to the US for tx'd.

Kids with disabilities can collect Medicare and, SSD & SSI.

 

[DonL]

Hello all,

The Local level of help is going down in our state.

Many programs are being eliminated or cut big time.

I think that Raising Taxes for the Rich would be a good Idea, Because they can afford it.
It will probably never happen, Because the Politicians on Capital hill and Local Government don't want to pay more Taxes.

Instead we pay too make them Rich so they can set around and argue about how they can Screw us Little People More.

Have a Great Day.


DonL

 

[Cookie]

I think at times, people abuse the programs, and the money wears out. Some people milk the system instead of contributing to it, and I question if taxing what we call the rich people is truly, the answer?

 

[DonL]

Cookie, I am talking about MONEY Rich people. Anything over 1 million a year and working for our Government, would be a good place to start. After all, Old School, It was a Privilege to be a Civil Servant, And people worked for free, Just as You do now.

You Can be rich in many ways. Having Only Money does not make a Person Rich.

You can be rich in Love, without any Money. Just one example. Rich in Joy is another.

I like to sleep at night, and I don't no how people can sleep at night, knowing they screwed someone.

And You are correct of people milking the system, They are free-loaders.
Many Politicians are free-loaders, They take as much from You, as You will let them. You are being Milked.

I am rich because I can sleep at night...


DonL


"A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government strong enough to take everything you have." -Thomas Jefferson

 

[Pipehacker]

Many Politicians are free-loaders, They take as much from You, as You will let them. You are being Milked.



Very well said, Donl

 

[Cookie]

I am rich because I live in a country where I can make as much money as I want and to pursue the American dream!

I am not rich with money, my overdrafted bank acct will tell that story, but, if I wanted to work and earn a million a year I can do that without being penalized. Look at some other countries who cannot. What is their dream? More times than not, to come and live in the USA. Am I wrong?

Given a country our size their are going to be imperfections and things which needs reform, but, make sure you don't stray in doing so, from what it is that makes our country great and the foundation of it all.

 

[DonL]

I don't think that the American dream is what it used to be.

My American dream, Would be to, keep What I worked all of my Life to obtain and paid for.

My property tax alone tells me that I own nothing, I rent it from the State. Even tho it is paid for.

Then you ask;
"What is their dream? More times than not, to come and live in the USA. Am I wrong?"

No you are not wrong, But their dream is mostly "To stay alive and be protected from harm."

I have no problem taking car of people in our world, I help when I can.
But when WE pay 10,000 Dollars to rescue a Dog in some other county, that they would normally Eat,
Then have to take them Food, I have a big problem. (Some Country's don't eat beef, Should we quit eating it?)

I do not stick my nose in someones business. If they ask I will help, If I can. And I do not eat dog. but I eat beef.

We need to take care of our own. Not try to Convert everyone, because of the "American dream", Its not what it use to be.


I am Sorry but I speak what I have learned, while I pursued the American dream. I have not seen it yet. (I was born here)


Have a Great Day.


DonL

 

[Cookie]

Don, I agree. But, their are so many rich people who got rich through hard work, working their way through school and through life, are they any different than you and I? Shouldn't they keep what they squarely and fairly earned too?

The American dream is still the way it always was, people just see a preconceived notion sometimes. Ask a WW2 Veteran about what he thinks the American dream is. He literally laid his life down on the line for that dream, which sometimes, people nowdays take for granted. I don't.

I applaud our country and its people, and its leaders, and I thank God everyday for the soil I was born on and the dream of which is mine that others made possible through the years.

 

[DonL]

I agree Cookie,

Don, I agree. But, their are so many rich people who got rich through hard work, working their way through school and through life, are they any different than you and I? Shouldn't they keep what they squarely and fairly earned too?.

But I do not Agree with the fact that Our Children have to pay a 50% tax for what they inherent when we die and leave them something.

We are Taxed to Death, Then Taxes after we are Dead.

That is why people leave their inheritances to their pets, Because they don't pay taxes.
Then the kids are just care takers, of Your pet.

I have Never been Money Rich, so to speak. But about 50% of what I have made is spent in taxes.

If that is the American dream than I guess I am living it.

If it was not for the hard workers than we would not have any thing.

Some People are rich, and never work a day in their lives, Yet we give them everything.

I just do not get it. I thank God for what I have, and God never wanted my money.


DonL