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You mis spoke there...

Politicians can't provide health care...They can't provide anything...They reach into the pockets of tax payers and take our $$$ so we can provide it for every one. They know best. Yeah Right.

Hmmmm. take our money so they can create a money sucking bureaucracy that inflates the costs and lowers the quality of health care.

It will be a corporate boost if they provide health care for every one and the corps. can drop what they offer, and I bet the politicians have a different plan for themselves.

They are gonna take it regardless so may as well use it for it's people. A healthy nation is a strong nation. Are we healthy?
 

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Does anyone have the solution?

Cookie, I'm afraid not. We had 6yrs with a Republican congress and president and N O T H I N G I mean nothing was done. They all bashed McCain and now he is God!They bash Hillary cause she is a liberal and said women can't run for prez cause there to emotional, but yet a Moose hunting christian conservitve is on the ticket for VP, it's ok! Double standards at it's best.(for both side's)
 
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I want more selections. :)

I have never understood why the sex of a person has made any difference in anything other than physically having children. I mean, you got to have the right bits and pieces to do that; but, for anything else it never made a difference to me. Women I guess are more emotional being our hormones in our bodies sometimes dictates that; but, we are learning that men's hormones can do that too, to a certain extent. My only concern about having a woman president is in military strategics. Time has to move on more, where we raise our sons and daughters to think alike, to play alike when little in order to make that equal for the most part. Boys play with GI Joes, girls play with Barbie's. Now, if they develop a Barbie dressed in Camo and toting a gun instead of a handbag that might create a new way of bridging the sexes mentality. If you get what I am saying. Now, if she were to become president she would need to rely on someone heavily, for this and I am afraid, that person/s would be calling all the shots. I am not sure this is good for the country. But, I might be wrong, too.

If women raised the men, (babies) for the most part and these men became our presidents then, I reckon women could do the job, too in making our nation strong, like we did our sons, ( and daughters.)

It is amusing to me, how people always have the solutions when, the greatest thinkers of our times didn't. Imagine, how hard it is to keep everything together at home, kids, house, money; imagine, calling the shots for an entire nation of homes, people, jobs, money, everyone's future. It has to be overwhelming.

People complain so easily. They use harder routes in life thinking, their are easier ones. Take for example this thread about whether or not to hire employees. Sometimes, you got to be honest about things you don't want to be. If for instance, my kid doesn't listen to me over and over, and, then the next kid does the same thing, I could easily say, or scream, " MY KIDS DON'T LISTEN TO ME NO MATTER WHAT I DO, THEY ARE ROTTEN TO THE CORE!" Or: I might want to consider it is my parenting skills. Maybe, I am wrong, it could be the kids, but, it should be considered.

Perhaps, this same principal could be applied to employees. Sure, you ain't raising them, sure they ain't yer kids, but, they are under your supervision. Sometimes, to have good kids you got to be a good parent; to have good employees you got to be a good employer. Maybe, in truth, it might be, ( I could be wrong) it could be as simple as that.

If a person's business is such an employer would benefit from it, that is the easier route. That said, it is also only fair to say, " nothing worth having comes easy."
 

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Letting the government run health care would be like letting the monkeys run the zoo. These idiots can't even run their own cafateria without loosing a couple million a year. What makes anyone think they would do a better job with health care.
 

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Yeah, but what is the solution? Do you do nothing? Or try nothing?
What is the solution for healthcare?
It is essential that everyone has it.
Did you ever notice how much the govn pays for things? ie, toilet seat, coffee-maker, etc.


Remember, we elect/hire the people who " work" for us. Whether in the govn or our small business, it is our chosing, our decision. If something is not right, if we feel we were failed, we have only ourselves to blame. We must choose better.
 
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I don't get too thrilled with the re-distribution of wealth notion. I'd just as soon keep what I earn. I have very good health insurance and I pay for it, just like I pay for my car insurance. If you live in a state where automobile insurance is manditory and you can't afford it what do you do? Stop driving ? Demand the government pay because you can not. Where does it all end? It's like that idiot congresswoman saying the government should take over the oil companies because they make obscene profits. Ok they do so let's take them over and while we're at it, Wal-Mart is making pretty good coin so let's take them too and how about Micro-Soft and where does it end? Like it or not we do not live in a socialist or Markist society. We live in a capitolist nation and it has worked very very well for a couple hundred years now.
 

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I was paying 800 a month for 3 years after my husband died for health insurance. It was a Highmark Guaranteed insurance not Cobra. Cobra was a thousand.

You really don't keep what you earn ever. Not if you want to eat, have a house to live in, keep the car in your driveway, the fuel in it, your body running as good as your car, or you want your kids to be educated.

It is always dictated by someone else or something else. You don't dictate the price of milk being sold in the store, or the cost of your children's education or even the price of the car you bought or the insurance you are paying for it. It is dictated to you.

If you want that car, the gallon of milk, you hand over what they want to give it to you for. Sure, you can say, " I won't buy that car or any car, I don't need milk, or a house to live in" but, the truth is, we all know we all want those things, or close to it. We want to be able to go to the doctors and know, if something is wrong it is not going to cost us our first born.

I think the sooner people realize that we are in this ( life) together the sooner things will change. When you pay your car insurance it is based on other drivers, the same with most things, not all things, but most or alot. Our lives in general depend on others. If we go to the hospital others will fix us, fix our cars, sell us that house ( I got my license now call me) like who said, this, Hemmingway? " No man is an island."

I would like to see people care more about others instead of letting greed win out.

...and, yes, to your question,
you do stop driving. My state mandates that by taking your plates.

Maybe, the Congresswoman was right, maybe, she was wrong. But, she is looking for a solution. My question as stated, do you have a solution?
 

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I don't really see a problem. Back in your post you said "we all want" well if there is a problem, that is probably the biggest part of it. We all want. Big screen TV's, I pods, computers new cars, nice houses boats, snow mobiles 4 wheelers. And we're more than willing to buy these things and put ourselves in credit jeopardy simply because " We Want" Our fathers wanted too. But the waited and saved and made sound financial decisions so that they and their children could "have" No one has that kind of patience any more. We want it and we want it now. And worse yet, there are those that willingly put their 4 wheeler or 40 thousand dollar pick-up truck above health and dentil care for their families. It's amazing how many section 8 housing families somehow can't manage to pay the bills but they all have big screen plasma tv's, a new computer, x box, all the toys and a fridge full of beer. I used to see it daily because my company had the city contract to work the projects. There are many many fathers and mothers who's Friday night priority is to score a bag of weed and let the welfare buy the cheese and similac for the kid. It's all about personal responsibility and the liberal congresse's desire to take care of everyone.
 

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My fault. I should had been clear in saying, the basic things in life. A home, a car, education, not meaning to imply, a mansion, a Lexus, going to Harvard.

I mentioned what I paid for healthcare for a reason. Sometimes, people don't realize what it can cost. I noticed that Palin mentioned that if elected, we will have an advocate in the White House for special needs kids.

Unless, you have a kid with special needs or you are in the field, her statement may not mean much to you, or may even sadly, anger you. You will think, " there goes the money."

I like the word, us, we, you, rather than always " I". Somehow, I always notice in what people write how many times they use it.

I don't think our state gives out welfare cheese anymore. My aunt used to get it, she choose unwisely, a husband who left her with 4 kids she raised on her own. She didn't smoke dope, she didn't have cable, she had a black and white tv with a set of rabbit ears. She lived in a section 8. None -of -whatever she got each month until, her children were grown did my uncle ever see. Her children grew up to be good people, none of which are on welfare. My one cousin works for the state removing asbestoses from schools and city buildings. ( removing it for free for people in need) My aunt worked until, the day she died, getting off welfare when the kids were grown and she cleaned houses. She was a remarkable woman.

My mom used to have an expression that I have used with my own kids at times, " jelly on the nose."
 

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I am very much in touch with special needs for a couple reasons. One, as a high school teacher we deal with special needs every day and Two, we have two gentlemen with special needs that live with us. Though my wife is their primary care giver I am also certified should the need arise.
 

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Cookie, I'm afraid not. We had 6yrs with a Republican congress and president and N O T H I N G I mean nothing was done. They all bashed McCain and now he is God!They bash Hillary cause she is a liberal and said women can't run for prez cause there to emotional, but yet a Moose hunting christian conservitve is on the ticket for VP, it's ok! Double standards at it's best.(for both side's)

Hey,

I watched Sarah last night and I was very impressed ... BTW Master, there's a icon called "ABC" (that's for spell check) that will identify all your typo words and make you look like a genius:). Just my two cents.
 

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Hey,

I watched Sarah last night and I was very impressed ... BTW Master, there's a icon called "ABC" (that's for spell check) that will identify all your typo words and make you look like a genius:). Just my two cents.

A grammer check would help too! But, there isn't a button for that...
"I is bad advice"

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Walks like a duck...
Talks like a duck...
Must be a damn duck!
 
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A grammer check would help too! But, there isn't a button for that...
"I is bad advice"

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Walks like a duck...
Talks like a duck...
Must be a damn duck!

I have bigger problems than that my friends, much bigger?

Actually though, due to my day job and the constant pressure of always having to spell properly and correct my grammar, I find a joyous release is typing away like a secretary on crack. That is why I have posted a disclaimer in my signature. :D
 
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Does Wisconsin have a code? Cause it seems like some pretty sketchy plumbing gets done there:eek:
 

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That is wonderful to hear, wonderful for you and your wife to do. My husband and I wanted to adopt a special needs child when we got alittle older and had more time. Although he isn't here anymore, I am leaning toward doing so. If they were to have me. I hold a Ed.M and have 2 decades of work and several papers written on music therapy, and Early intervention Music Therapy; and how music therapy has proven to be an effective method in dealing with autism, allowing individuals to build social relationships.

Spelling and grammar are important but not as important as the subject content within the sentence structure. I pay far more attention to what is being said than how it is being said. Yes, I notice how often a writer refers to himself, only because that says a lot.




I am very much in touch with special needs for a couple reasons. One, as a high school teacher we deal with special needs every day and Two, we have two gentlemen with special needs that live with us. Though my wife is their primary care giver I am also certified should the need arise.
 
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Your point is very well taken Mort.


Wow....some of you guys are pretty brutal. I've only got six employees (not plumbing however) and couldn't run my business nearly as well or profitably without them. I've only hired one new person recently but the rest have worked for me ten or more years. To get licensed (necessary in my field) takes 80 hours classroom time and a state test, but about two years to really get up to speed and be productive (read profitable) When hiring a new employee I usually let them ferment for about three months or so just to see if they really want to do the job and like the enviroment. If they like it, I pay for the schooling, room and board while attending, and the associated costs of getting a license. After that, it's just learning the ropes.

My employees, having to deal with the public, do have to put up with a lot of guff at times. It goes with the territory. I insist they maintain a professional attitude and be courteous to all clients. That said, NOBODY is required to listen to foul language or tolerate hot tempers....those cases come directly to me and if I can't get them to calm down and discuss whatever their issue might be then they can take a long walk of a short pier.

Are employees expensive? You bet!! Ouside of the government mandated taxes, fees, etc., providing decent health insurance is pretty danged costly (and it's something nobody sees on their paycheck so it largely goes under appreciated as compensation) As an employer, I get less time off in the sense of taking continous time off (like the two week vacation time I provide with full pay) and when things aren't going well am also the first in line to get reduced pay if necessary to get through the lean times.

All in all....I wouldn't change a thing:)

Mort
 

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I have heard that you can also hire plumbers from
the local man power places around town.....

for about 18 to 25 per hour.....


they show up and you use them for as long as you wish,
you dont pay for SS or withholding, or any benefits
or insurance either, that all is paid by manpower..

and when you are through with them you let them
go back to the manpower place...or keep them for as long
as you want to

they cant file for un-employment on you either....


Manpower get's half of what these temp's make. How is that fair? If a Jorneyman is coming from manpower, I hate to tell you they are not licensed plumber's. If there making $10 an hour, how can you trust them to work for you? You would think it's a good idea to higher someone at such a low wage to protect the health and sanatation of our country.

Master Plumber Mark you are a true capitalistic hack to say the less.
 
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