Jeff_d
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I've got 10 year old 1.6 gpf builder grade Gerber toilets in my house that we moved into 2 years ago (They actually use way more than 1.6 gpf, more like 3-4 gallons by my measure). I have 5 kids and I plunge a toilet at least once per week. Yes, I tell the kids not to use so much paper but they're 2-10 years old so their judgement generally leaves a lot to be desired. I had the same issues at our old house with builder grade American Standard toilets of similar vintage. In both cases yes, the plumbing is properly vented and it's always simply a matter of a push or two with the plunger to push the clog through the trapway. The toilets flush great when there's nothing but liquid in there.
Anyway, I'm about tired of this crap and one day it's going to end up costing me a bunch of money when one of them overflows. Reading through here it seems the Toto Drakes and UltraMax have better quality control than the American Standard Champion 4s (Both in 1.6 GPF).
Can anyone speak to the 3" vs. 4" flush valve difference? I read in some threads on here that the AS 4" really is no better than a 3" because it's immediately choked down after the flapper to 3". Did I understand that correctly and is there any benefit to the 4"?
I'd really like 1 piece toilets for fewer leak points, especially upstairs, but I don't care for the look of the UltraMax vs. the Drake (I'd rather just have a standard looking potty) and the ~$600-800 difference in cost to do my whole house with 1 pieces is not insignificant. I have had an incident where a tank bolt washer dripped and went unnoticed long enough to stain the ceiling below an upstairs toilet but no real damage done.
In either case (2 piece or 1 piece) it seems that the Toto G-Maxes are cheaper by a few bucks than the American Standard Champion 4s. Are there any others I should consider?
Anyway, I'm about tired of this crap and one day it's going to end up costing me a bunch of money when one of them overflows. Reading through here it seems the Toto Drakes and UltraMax have better quality control than the American Standard Champion 4s (Both in 1.6 GPF).
Can anyone speak to the 3" vs. 4" flush valve difference? I read in some threads on here that the AS 4" really is no better than a 3" because it's immediately choked down after the flapper to 3". Did I understand that correctly and is there any benefit to the 4"?
I'd really like 1 piece toilets for fewer leak points, especially upstairs, but I don't care for the look of the UltraMax vs. the Drake (I'd rather just have a standard looking potty) and the ~$600-800 difference in cost to do my whole house with 1 pieces is not insignificant. I have had an incident where a tank bolt washer dripped and went unnoticed long enough to stain the ceiling below an upstairs toilet but no real damage done.
In either case (2 piece or 1 piece) it seems that the Toto G-Maxes are cheaper by a few bucks than the American Standard Champion 4s. Are there any others I should consider?