Pics of my Champion 4, GoKohlerGo

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Here are some pictures of my AS Champion 4. Sorry about the mess in the room, it is in my little brother's room since I didn't have enough room in my room to put it because my room is so small. He doesn't like that its there. Round bowl champion- image.jpg4 inch flush valve
image.jpginside the bowl-image.jpgtrapway-image.jpg it is uninstalled. What do you think of it?
 
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So...........you put thet toietl in your brudhers room? Doex he lik tatht?

doxen't seem much wather in teh bwol. why!?
 

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So...........you put thet toietl in your brudhers room? Doex he lik tatht?

doxen't seem much wather in teh bwol. why!?
He doesn't really care, but he says he doesn't really want it there. The reason there is no water in the bowl is because it isn't installed. It is going to be on my testing rig outside in the summer.
 

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He doesn't really care, but he says he doesn't really want it there. The reason there is no water in the bowl is because it isn't installed. It is going to be on my testing rig outside in the summer.
that's a great place for a toilet. What gets tested on that rig?
 

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Looks almost like the cadet 3 does anyone know how much difference in power it makes from the 3 to 4?
 

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Yes, I guess I should have worded that differently, the place where the water comes out of the tank is 3 1/2" when I measured it.
I don't understand why they make that hole that big? The instructions for a Korky 5030 or 3" flush valve state if that hole is over 3 7/16", you add a "O" ring just above the threads on valve. Even 3 7/16" is way more than needed and the seal on the inside of the tank has less area to put pressure on.
 

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I don't understand why they make that hole that big? The instructions for a Korky 5030 or 3" flush valve state if that hole is over 3 7/16", you add a "O" ring just above the threads on valve. Even 3 7/16" is way more than needed and the seal on the inside of the tank has less area to put pressure on.

Yeah, seems kind of strange that they would make it 3 1/2" instead of just 3"...
 

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The 3" has a 3" flush valve
The 4 has a 3" flush valve with a funnel on top.
Both tanks have a 3" outlet.

See how that works?

TOTO came out with class four.
So Kohler came out with class five.
The Eljer Titan leapfrogged to class seven
And then Kohler came out with class six to fil out the slots.
Toto had a 3" flapper, so American Standard came out with one, but Koher had class five 3-1/4", so American Standard put of a" flapper on top of it's 3" flush valve.
Kohler didn't really like it's 3-1/4" flapper, so now it's using a 2" +/- flush valve with a cannister. That's the new class five.
Confused yet?
TOTO also calls theirs, G-Max, Power Gravity, E-Max, all with 3" flush valves. And then of course there is Dual-Max.

But wait...........then you look at trapway design too. Nobody is naming them yet. Though TOTO has what the call a double siphon on thiers.

Some of the benifits are real, and some are marketing. You have to weed through it to find your preference. The newer bowls are all improved over the old stuff.

Its probably just for marketing purposes, just like TV'S with 120 Hz it almost the same as 600 Hz the difference is the quality of the panel not the speed. So I am assuming this is what it is I wonder if it is worth the money, I herd that it was plagued with problems maybe its because of the funnel design. Everyone wants to be the best.
 

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Its probably just for marketing purposes, just like TV'S with 120 Hz it almost the same as 600 Hz the difference is the quality of the panel not the speed. So I am assuming this is what it is I wonder if it is worth the money, I herd that it was plagued with problems maybe its because of the funnel design. Everyone wants to be the best.
I have used a Champion 4 with the funnel, and I think it flushed better than the Drake. I will put my Champion 4 outside for testing in the summer and I will make a video of it an i will put it on here.
 

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I have used a Champion 4 with the funnel, and I think it flushed better than the Drake. I will put my Champion 4 outside for testing in the summer and I will make a video of it an i will put it on here.

sounds great, i want to see if it flushes like the cadet 3 flowise it almost looks the same.
 
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