Kohler Memoirs - some better than others?

Discussion in 'Toilet Forum discussions' started by RonB, Jan 8, 2006.

  1. RonB

    RonB New Member

    Jan 8, 2006
    I noticed in the MaP test results that one version of the Kohler Memoir is rated at only 125 g whereas the K-3451 and K-3453 models are rated at 800g. This compares favorably with the Totos. The disadvantage is that these models of the Kohler Memoirs are more than twice as expensive. However, due to WAF (wife approval factor), she may want to spend the extra money for the looks.

    Does anyone have experience with these more expensive Kohler Memoirs models (almost $800!)? Do they perform as well as the Totos?

    I know it sounds stupid to spend 2.5 times the price, but marital bliss is worth something.
  2. jimbo

    jimbo Plumber

    Aug 31, 2004
    San Diego, CA
    The K3451/53 are comfort height and use Kohler's class 5 flush technology.

    The comfort heigt bowl adds to the price in any brand. The class 5 is their version of the large diameter flush valve. This is the technology introduced by Toto, and now widely copied, as in AS Champion, etc. This type of technology also jacks up the price in any brand. Kohlers are pricey because of the "Stately" or "Classic" design.
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  4. RonB

    RonB New Member

    Jan 8, 2006
    As good as Totos?

    Thanks, Jimbo.

    So do people consider the class 5 system for these Kohlers as good as the Totos, or are the totos still better (plus cheaper).

    I don't want to spend 2.5 times as much and get a less workable toilet.
  5. Mike50

    Mike50 DIY Senior Member

    Jan 8, 2006
    Southern California
    Ron, if you select a memoirs that isn't comfort height you will only pay one third of that price at a big box store (white only). I just installed the memoirs suite in my master bath and I am one happy guy. The Ingenium toilet technology is
    not rated as high for solid waste however rated higher for cleanliness and noise according to the Kohler book anyway.

    My old toilet was a generic disaster so any improvement would impress me. One of lifes great mysteries is what women put in the toilet and living alone currently, I dont have to worry about that right now. lol

    The memoirs design is unique in that it is a classy art deco design with a modern twist so it's not going out of style in 5 years when the "revival"
    trend is over imo. It's elegant yet masculine at the same time. The toilet has a unique rectangle shaped footprint which is larger than many other
    toilets. It looks and feels like it will last a lifetime.

    I do a lot of graphic art so that is my perspective.
    If I dont like the look of an appliance or fixture-Im not buying it-no matter
    how advanced the technology is. I am getting pretty interested in this Toto
    based on what the pros here are saying here however.

    I'm here primarily to learn about technology and quality. great board Jimbo...

    Looking for cleaning products that wont harm a new finish...


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  6. RonB

    RonB New Member

    Jan 8, 2006

    Thanks, Mike. I noticed that the only Memoirs toilets that were their Class 5 were the comfort height version, for some reason. And they were more than twice as much, as you noted. The MaP tests showed a big difference between these Memoirs and the others. I'm glad you're happy with yours.
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