Help...Are my well lines air locked

[striperfisher]

The check valve could be part of the old installation

Most pressure switches do not have that lever. Consider changing for one with no lever.

Did you yourself do the full installation of the pressure switch and pressure tank, and bringing the water into the house?

You do understand why pump saver pressure switches are used don't you?...The type of pressure switch has nothing to do with the issue

 

[Reach4]

You do understand why pump saver pressure switches are used don't you?...The type of pressure switch has nothing to do with the issue

It has to do with the "kills the pressure switch" symptom that you introduced in #19.

Low pressure cutoff pressure switches are intended primarily to turn the pump off if the well runs dry. They don't perform that job nearly as well as the electronic monitors do. They can fail to turn off the pump, as the pump pumps an air water mix. They can cut off the water for a transient condition where the pump does not get the volume up before the pressure tank water gets exhausted. They can add a task to do after a power outage.

But yes, this #19 symptom could have been caused by a change in the pump, or the pressure tank, such as a smaller difference between the air precharge and the cut-in setting of the new pressure switch that came with the new pump.

 

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[Fitter30]

Do you get water out of the hydrant with pump running? Hydrant could be broken.

 

[striperfisher]

It has to do with the "kills the pressure switch" symptom that you introduced in #19.

Low pressure cutoff pressure switches are intended primarily to turn the pump off if the well runs dry. They don't perform that job nearly as well as the electronic monitors do. They can fail to turn off the pump, as the pump pumps an air water mix. They can cut off the water for a transient condition where the pump does not get the volume up before the pressure tank water gets exhausted. They can add a task to do after a power outage.

But yes, this #19 symptom could have been caused by a change in the pump, or the pressure tank, such as a smaller difference between the air precharge and the cut-in setting of the new pressure switch that came with the new pump.

I'll go with that...problem is hydrant at the house isint the problem...hydrant at the well is...I can't understand how half of the line has pressure....while the half closest to the well don't...There isint a check valve in the line anywhere....Thats why I mentioned the lines being air locked

 

[Reach4]

I'll go with that...problem is hydrant at the house isint the problem...hydrant at the well is...I can't understand how half of the line has pressure....while the half closest to the well don't...There isint a check valve in the line anywhere....Thats why I mentioned the lines being air locked

Maybe some prankster sneaked in and put a solenoid valve in the line to hydrant 1, and that is controlled by the power to pump 1. (too soon?)

You have no doubt that the pressure at the well is near zero under this problem condition, do you?

Air lock is not a thing in this system of water pipes. Air trapped that is preventing air from reaching hydrant 1 would come right out when hydrant 1 was opened. Air lock can exist in a pressurized heating system, if there is no escape for the air.

 

[striperfisher]

Maybe some prankster sneaked in and put a solenoid valve in the line to hydrant 1, and that is controlled by the power to pump 1. (too soon?)

You have no doubt that the pressure at the well is near zero under this problem condition, do you?

Air lock is not a thing in this system of water pipes. Air trapped that is preventing air from reaching hydrant 1 would come right out when hydrant 1 was opened. Air lock can exist in a pressurized heating system, if there is no escape for the air.

Maybe some prankster sneaked in and put a solenoid valve in the line to hydrant 1, and that is controlled by the power to pump 1. (too soon?)

You have no doubt that the pressure at the well is near zero under this problem condition, do you?

Air lock is not a thing in this system of water pipes. Air trapped that is preventing air from reaching hydrant 1 would come right out when hydrant 1 was opened. Air lock can exist in a pressurized heating system, if there is no escape for the air.

Yes...I can say I have zero pressure on this section of line unless the pump is running

 

[Valveman]

If there are no check valves anywhere in the underground line or tank, the pressure at all hydrants/faucets should be the same all the time, pump running or not. Put a test gauge on the hydrant at the well. If it goes to zero when the pump shuts off, there must be a check valve or something acting like a check valve between those two hydrants. As was said, air lock is not a thing.

 

[striperfisher]

If there are no check valves anywhere in the underground line or tank, the pressure at all hydrants/faucets should be the same all the time, pump running or not. Put a test gauge on the hydrant at the well. If it goes to zero when the pump shuts off, there must be a check valve or something acting like a check valve between those two hydrants. As was said, air lock is not a thing.

That's what I wanted to know!...I know the part of my line to the house don't have any check valves because I put that in myself....There was some work done 20 years ago...To push water up to my dad's house that I wasn't there for...We had to run 120 psi on that line with a 125 gallon pressure tank to get water pressure to him....Thinking maybe they installed a check valve in the line where they t'd into my water line going to our trailer....If that is the case....its been stuck open for alot of year's....because the hydrant at the well use to have pressure all the time!

 

[Valveman]

That's what I wanted to know!...I know the part of my line to the house don't have any check valves because I put that in myself....There was some work done 20 years ago...To push water up to my dad's house that I wasn't there for...We had to run 120 psi on that line with a 125 gallon pressure tank to get water pressure to him....Thinking maybe they installed a check valve in the line where they t'd into my water line going to our trailer....If that is the case....its been stuck open for alot of year's....because the hydrant at the well use to have pressure all the time!

Possible, but would be strange.

 

[striperfisher]

Possible, but would be strange.

I agree!.....There is no other explanation....maybe they didn't want all that pressure sitting on the pressure tank's idk!....5 minutes with my uncle's hoe and I'll find out!

 

[Valveman]

I think there would have to be a check valve there to keep the 120 PSI system from backing into your lower pressure system.

 

[striperfisher]

I think there would have to be a check valve there to keep the 120 PSI system from backing into your lower pressure system.

I do know we had to put a pressure reducer onto our trailer after they made these changes!

 

[Valveman]

I do know we had to put a pressure reducer onto our trailer after they made these changes!

Ahh, the whole system was at 120 PSI then. Still probably a check valve in line.

 

[striperfisher]

Ahh, the whole system was at 120 PSI then. Still probably a check valve in line.

Yes...we started out with jst using a small pressure tank that was already under the trailer....They said we needed the larger volume of water to get the water pushed up to my father's house....and then added a 100 gallon pressure tank to piggy my smaller tank

 

[Valveman]

Yes...we started out with jst using a small pressure tank that was already under the trailer....They said we needed the larger volume of water to get the water pushed up to my father's house....and then added a 100 gallon pressure tank to piggy my smaller tank

The larger tank was just to keep the larger pump from cycling on and off so much, as the larger pump is what was building the pressure to 120 as needed. Tanks don't make pressure.

 

[striperfisher]

The larger tank was just to keep the larger pump from cycling on and off so much, as the larger pump is what was building the pressure to 120 as needed. Tanks don't make pressure.

I know...I didn't say pressure...I said volume