Bannerman
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Example of clamp on amp meter.
I'll hook up a 10awg patch cable and see if the pump does anything as far as producing water. Just no idea how long to expect it to take for water to actually flow.
Example of clamp on amp meter.
A 1 inch id pipe holds about 2.3 gallons in 100 ft.
So 500 ft should fill in less than 3 seconds.
Must be around 1 wire only. If you go around two wires, the fields will cancel, and you will read close to zero.Yep, I've definitely seen those, just never used one. Do you have to hold it so the wire isn't touching the device or can I "hang" it around the 2 wires to get the amps?
Must be around 1 wire only. If you go around two wires, the fields will cancel, and you will read close to zero.
Clamps are insulated. Touching is OK.
One possibility is that there will be zero amps, because a connection is broken. If there was a good connection, but the pump was locked up, I would think the generator would have had a different sound due to the high current draw.
When they pull the pump, note the depth of the waterline. I assume there will be a mark where the water-air interface was for so long. I am not proposing to watch for the pipe being wet.
Anyway, take photos of the two pump labels on each of the old and new pumps for interest.
Currents, and the resulting magnetic fields, have both a magnitude, and a direction. They add "algebraically". That clamp probe converts the magnetic fields to electricity, but if the fields are equal magnitude, but opposite direction, they cancel out.Ah interesting, I thought because this is 220 that both wires would carry 110 each and have current in both but it sounds like one acts as a neutral?
well that DEFINITELY didn't happen so something is up. I half wonder if from sitting the screen I assume on the bottom is just plugged up with water not moving, biofilm type of stuff or hard water mineral deposits
Franklin bought Jacuzzi. That is where the "J" in their J-class pumps came from.Guy said that was likely an old jacuzzi number for a 3/4hp and not sure how much info there'd be on it today so I'll have to look on the interwebs and see what I can find.
So 8x inflation since then sounds about right. New pump will not be 8x however.Another point not related to the pump I noticed is that where I live now and my old house, the well cap isn't round. There's a bump out on it where the small conduit comes up the side (or I should say goes down the side) of the well pipe to go under ground and carry the electric into the house. On this well in question, there's nothing like that so I don't know if the wire goes through the pitless adapter? The wire tube and the water tube come out in the same spot in the yard. I figure the pitless is probably down 4 - 6' so I might just take the backhoe down there and scratch around to get the top 2 feet or so off and then do the rest by hand because I sure as hell don't want to rip anything out unexpectedly. The cap has a ring with 4 bolts into it.
Franklin bought Jacuzzi. That is where the "J" in their J-class pumps came from.
So 8x inflation since then sounds about right. New pump will not be 8x however.
Your wiring might be 2 ft down, or 18 inches down.
What is the ID of your well?
I guess you are sure you have a pitless adapter.
Wire thru the pitless adapter would be highly unusual. Think of what happens when you would lift the pump. If the pitless had an electrical disconnect system, that would be handy... but hard to work on.
Less... maybe 5x from the dealer, but that will include some etc probably. It is hard to know the equivalent pump. There are cheaper pumps.Well thank God for small favors!! Tho before I get too excited, are you thinking the new pump would be more or less than 8x?? LOL! I'm assuming less based on some googling I've done.
Nice to daydream about, but I expect it has been considered.Maybe I should design something?? LOL!
How much extra wire do you have? The splice would normally go under the new well cap. You would run 1 inch plastic conduit into the ground.
I was incorrectly thinking maybe the well did not have a pitless adapter, but instead had a well seal, with water and electric thru the top. But that is unlikely, because presumably something is holding the drop pipe up.So it's possible that the wire just got drilled through the metal pipe itself somewhere below grade? Huh. Since I can't say I've ever seen a well where it doesn't come all the way to the top and then a conduit you can see going down the side, I never thought about that possibility. Shovel digging it is!! LOL!
I was incorrectly thinking maybe the well did not have a pitless adapter, but instead had a well seal, with water and electric thru the top. But that is unlikely, because presumably something is holding the drop pipe up.
Look down the well. See the pitless. Is it maybe 40 to 48 inches below ground level? At night use a bright flashlight. In the bright sun, use a mirror to light the pitless.
Feeding a 3/4 hp motor with a pair of 10 awg the whole way supports a path length (across and down) of 760 ft. If 12 awg, then 480 total feet.
I expect you could run 14 or 12 to the well, and splice into the 10. There is a way to compute how far you can go if you are going far.
For running new cable to the well, you are supposed to run 2 or 3 power conductors plus ground. You are supposed to ground the well cap if it is metal. If using existing power wires, I think they get grandfathered in.
I do not. Mine is not grounded.Do you know when the grounding of the well cap came into play?
Post a photo. That sounds like a well seal. Do not remove the bolts or nuts on a well cap, because the bottom of the well cap can fall down and really mess things up badly. I guess the well guy put the fear into you. That's good.
If you have a well seal, there is no pitless. What is the ID of your well?
Installing a pitless adapter would be good. If you have a well seal with water coming out of the top, you have to take measures to prevent freezing.
Then how did you access the wires?The top is a solid "plate" and has the well driller's name stamped on it.
50' away where they used to come up in the crawlspace of the old mobile home that was there, next to where the black water flex pipe used to come out of the ground and go up into the pressure tank in the bathroom of the mobile home.Then how did you access the wires?
This is awkward, but...
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