1. Master Plumber 101

    Master Plumber 101 In the Trades

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    :confused:I have a Question. Why do plumbers, more notably in the south and in rual areas use ABS pipe? In the North we use sch 40 pvc.The only time we use ABS is on trailer homes(which plumbers do not install) or on the initial take off on the exaust of a larger power vent water heater. Maybe, because it can with stand more heat and being in the south it's warmer? I never understood this. I guess I'm just use to the way I've been doing things.:eek::confused::confused:
     
  2. nhmaster

    nhmaster Master Plumber

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    I think it's just a regional thing based on what the wholesalers want to carry.. About 25 years back a couple of the supply houses tried ABS but we'd all been using pvc and no one really wanted to gear up for abs. Besides which abs cracks even wors in cold weather than pvc.
     
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  4. Master Plumber 101

    Master Plumber 101 In the Trades

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    nh master what plumbing code do you follow, state or IPC. Do they make a special book for your disorder? j/k
     
  5. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    abs

    It just depends on which material the wholesalers carry, which is an adjunct of what the plumbers decided to buy in the first place. Some wholesalers carry one or the other, with a few pieces of the alternate material.
     
  6. nhmaster

    nhmaster Master Plumber

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    I live in the Maine , NH boarder but work mostly in NH and Mass. NH uses the IPC, Maine the UPC and Mass has their own code.

    36 yers in the business gives me the ability to write the IDGAF guide book:D
     
  7. Redwood

    Redwood Master Plumber

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    So NH Master, You are Tristateual...:eek:
     
  8. patrick88

    patrick88 Plumber

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    I use abs in Ma. It seems the western part of the state uses abs and the eastern part pvc.
     
  9. Master Plumber 101

    Master Plumber 101 In the Trades

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    I understand wholesale houses probably:cool: only supply that specific type of piping, I still think it does not look good. It's good to hear other people's opinion.
     
  10. Master Plumber Mark

    Master Plumber Mark Sensitivity trainer and plumber of mens souls

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    fire codes and ABS

    in the mid west the ABS was kicked out the door a long time ago becasue of the fire codes....

    the ABS will burn like a torch when it catches fire and
    adds to the intence inferno in the home...

    the PVC will only smoulder when a building catches fire...

    so they got the bright idea that the PVC is better for that
    reason ....... so I suppose it is,,,,.


    of course both of them have toxic fumes bad enough to kill you in a minute or two
     
  11. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    Pvc

    PVC will also emit toxic gases while it is smoldering. But apparently you have never set PVC on fire. IT will burn very good. The only benefit of PVC is that it will usually melt and close off the pipe to prevent drafts from carrying the flame and fumes to other areas.
     
  12. Master Plumber Mark

    Master Plumber Mark Sensitivity trainer and plumber of mens souls

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    How does that matter???

    HJ.... wether I have lit up PVC before. how does that matter?.
    of course I have burnt both up in trash fires....

    but it does not
    change the issue that was debated by the inspectors
    in this state....


    I suppose some fire department .---somewhere in our
    po-dunkey state -----must have noticed that the ABS really
    burned rapidly and helped spread the fire, where-as the PVC smouldered more often


    then they must have gotten together and outlawed the ABS back around 1973....

    at least in the mid-west the PVC is popular and the ABS is
    not....
     
  13. Herk

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    When they adopted the UPC here (definitely not the south), they allowed ABS while other states (such as Montana) decided to use the PVC. PVC is harder-surfaced and expands and contracts about 1/2 of ABS. However, for the most part, ABS holds up just fine. Some local supply houses are beginning to stock more PVC so perhaps eventually we'll change.
     
  14. smellyfinger MP208845

    smellyfinger MP208845 New Member

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    :mad:I havent put in one stick of ABS in my life they dont even sell it at supply houses and I am from the south ABS is for mobile homes. You will find very few homes made in the 60's and 70's that are ruffed in and toped out with ABS. What are you really trying to say that people from north of the mason dixon are better plumbers?
     
  15. nhmaster

    nhmaster Master Plumber

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    Yep.. Best there is :D
     
  16. Master Plumber 101

    Master Plumber 101 In the Trades

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    No, what I was trying to say is in my travels down south that's all I ever noticed installed and wondered what advantage you have by installing ABS other than it's allowed. The area I reside in is all sch 40 pvc. So I never Installed ABS on drain waste and vent system's. My quest for answers was not to cut anyone down.
     
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