While I don't have definitive information to share, I learned that Jones Stephens products are manufactured in Spain. I'm unsure whether this is advantageous or not.You would be surprised how many people are unaware of PEX B (most if not all) now being certified for F1960 expansion. Most still go by the equation that A is expansion, B is compression. The truth is A can be compressed and B can be expanded.
AFAIK, the inside diameter of Zurn B pipe is the same as Uponor for the same given OD, so I would have no problem using anyone's F1960 fittings (which sets the dimensions).
I honestly don't know if I'd use anyone's house brand. PEX is cheap enough not to try to save a few pennies per foot in my opinion. I'd take Uponor over any Chinese sourced pipe (and no, I don't know if the Ferguson house brand is Chinese).
Sioux Chief, Everflow, and Rehau also make A. There might be others. You might want to try to contact them with your questions and report back here what they say for all our benefits.
While I don't have definitive information to share, I learned that Jones Stephens products are manufactured in Spain. I'm unsure whether this is advantageous or not.
I am determined to use expansion fittings and prefer the convenience of being able to pick up necessary fittings locally, rather than having to special order them. Based on this criterion, the options available in my area appear to be Uponer and Jones Stephens.
Regarding Sioux Chief or other PEX-A options, I am unsure about their comparative quality or how to gather reliable information on the matter. Previously, when I transitioned away from CPVC, I was informed that Uponer was the top choice. However, I am now considering the possibility that all PEX-A pipes may have issues, with Uponer being the most prominent manufacturer and consequently facing legal actions.
The flexibility of PEX-A is particularly appealing to me, as I believe that fitting connections are a potential source of problems. Therefore, minimizing the number of fittings seems beneficial. Ideally, I would like to proceed with Jones Stephens PEX-A pipe and their corresponding fittings. However, if Zurn PEX-B truly has a lifespan of 25 years in the US public water system, I may prefer to opt for that with Uponer fittings.
In any case, I feel like a guinea pig, uncertain of the outcome, and concerned about potential failures and lawsuits that may surface in the next couple of years. It's causing me to reconsider using CPVC once again.
Thousands of homes being plumbed in pex while you decide I think CPVC would be good if it was desighned differant but copper tube size is kind of a joke it is smaller id but there isnt enouygh meat .
Type L copper if you have the dough.
I looked up a bit on PERT, last night but mostly useless propaganda about it 100 yr warranty and its recylable not the stuff I care about is the stuff any good ? I guess Id say I found it interesting but I didnt delve too deep. I havent heard a lot about it sounds like John Gayewski used it and not sounding overly impressed.
I know you guys are nervous about Pex A but sounds still to be highly regarded a few bad expeiances and bad news travels faster than good . no one cares when we say "hey my house did not leak yesterday" but one guy has a leak and every damn free loading lawyer is on the money chase.
BTW , I see zurn had some investigation to PLASTIC fitting failure and whoever did investigation closed it with no findings of a problem. The metal fitting (dezincafacation) class action was settled and gues what ZURN never admitted anything what the problem was etc. they paid money and admited nothing (is what I read) . So those wanting explanation from Uponor keep waiting.
Like I said though Zurn didnt admit but you John ct want Upponor to admit to fault or cause or even the existance of failures or problems (I would too) but the whores that are out there trying to get rich off a lawsuit cast doubt to thier side of things as well.
Update - July 17, 2023
I wanted to provide you with an update on my progress. Unfortunately, I am still facing challenges in determining which piping to use for my project. While Sioux Chief seems like a promising option, I have discovered that none of the local suppliers near me carry their complete range of parts. Even the online sources I found were unable to provide all the necessary components.
However, I came across some interesting information regarding Uponor. It appears that Uponor has reintroduced their red and blue piping, which was previously discontinued due to lawsuits. To gather more information, I contacted Uponor directly. Surprisingly, they informed me that the pipes were not available due to a lack of availability of a particular type of lacquer used in their production. It contradicts what I found online, where it was stated that the discontinuation was a result of the lawsuits. Whenever I raised the topic of lawsuits, the representative from Uponor simply dismissed them as allegations and assured me that their pipes have no issues. They refused to acknowledge any responsibility or admit to any problems associated with their piping. I felt like I was talking to the tobacco companies, "Addictive that is just an allegation"!
However, the Uponor representative did mention that the piping could encounter issues in a recirculation system operating at temperatures exceeding 140 degrees Fahrenheit and with a velocity greater than 2 ft/sec.
Considering the conflicting information, it has become challenging to determine whom to believe.
So far, the only option I have found that carries all the required supplies is Chinese-made Apollo from Home Depot.
I will continue my research and exploration of available options. If you have any insights or recommendations, please feel free to share them with me.
I thought Rwbil might want to use one company for , pipe and fittings so no conflict with using unauthorized parts comes up on a future warranty. Personally I think Uponor has figured out the problem no matter how big or small and corrected it after all they did stop making that old colored pipe if I understand correctly.
Well I went with Uponer and hope and preying it was just a bad patch of piping. But honestly, I am starting to wish I went with SharkBite. One of the reasons I went with Uponer was I was thinking everything would be in stock so I could just head to Ferguson or WinSupply and pick it up. But that is not the case. Many adapters such as ProPex to Copper Sweat, Q5517575, are not in stock. But you know who does have them in stock SharkBite at Lowes. In fact the only thing I see that Sharkbite is weak in is the manifolds. But no one I have talked to has used SharkBite Pex-A material and I did not want to be the guinea pig.
Yellowing doesn't mean it's bad. We have iron in our water which turns uponor yellow over time, also coming from a water heater the rust will turn uponor yellow. Don't worry about yellow pex a either. Worry if it leaks or cracks.
This is awkward, but...
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