Strange question..maybe. Combining wires from two circuts

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  1. MassGuy2

    MassGuy2 New Member

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    Want to run a line from cellar to upstairs to use as indicator for well...thought i could get power off one of the 110 lines going to control box when pressure switch calls for water,and use neutral wire in outlet nearby as other wire...just thought something such as nightlite would be a good indicator to let me know pump has kicked on and so i can tell when it goes off.....question is will tapping into one of 2 lines for run motor interfere with pump...even if only a small nightlite type draw....we have limited water supply and has run well dry a few times and believe that put our first pump in an early grave so want something to help us know if pump is on.....would using a voltage tester with small indicator lite be better...would have to extend leads to bring upstairs....can go straight up so less than 8 feet of wire....any thoughts appreciated.
  2. ActionDave

    ActionDave Electrician

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    Do not tap the hot from your pump circuit and the neutral from another circuit. It is not safe. You could tap the load side of your pressure switch and use a relay with a 240V coil and hook up your indicator light, powered from a different 120V circuit. to the normally open contacts.

    There is probably something off the shelf from Taco or Franklin that would do this.
  3. MassGuy2

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    Just want to clarify...wanted to tap to one of the two 110 lines feeding control box...not a 220 line complete..and on feed side theres 2 feeds so thought getting a neutral from another source just to run a small indacator light...i wired most of the house when remodeled so have some idea on wiring just dont know if this would interfere with feed to pump...appreciate your replies ActionDave..
  4. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    You can run a wire from one of the terminals of the pressure switch along with a neutral to tell when the pump is energized.
  5. Homeownerinburb

    Homeownerinburb New Member

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    It is distinctly illegitimate and not done to run a hot wire somewhere and have it join a neutral elsewhere.

    There is a mater of inductive heating, which I do not understand well enough to explain.

    Essentially the current must run up one wire and right back down another, in the same cable or conduit.

    Why are you doing this at 120V?

    Why not arrange a relay to switch a doorbell transformer on when the pump is running (or just have it come on with the pump, if that is easier), and use bell wire to take the 16v to an indicator bulb where you want it?
  6. jwelectric

    jwelectric Electrical Contractor/Instructor

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    The easy way would be to install a 240 volt 3 watt light but anything installed does not make the water in the well deeper.
    Unless someone is going to be monitoring the system 24/7 it is nothing more than a waste of time. If the bulb is not seen what use is it? I suppose people sleep, work, and play so the bulb would not be monitored at all times.

    On a side note; if you wired your home using the tactics mentioned in this thread you have some very serious problems and I suggest replacement cost insurance as soon as possible
  7. ActionDave

    ActionDave Electrician

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    No. Don't grab a neutral from another circuit. There would be no danger of harming the pump. The danger would be in the circuit you concocted.

    After looking at your original post again and a bit of rest I now recall an off the shelf unit that would fit your need. It is called a Pump Minder. I know Franklin makes one. It monitors the pump circuit and shuts off the power if you have no water flowing through the pump.
  8. MassGuy2

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    Had to be one...seems every forum no matter what topic there is someone who feels its their job just to annoy people...and can tell you are the top dog here!! Good JOB !!
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  9. MassGuy2

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    Thank you...appreciate the POSITIVE reply..will look into this...Curt
  10. jwelectric

    jwelectric Electrical Contractor/Instructor

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    I have received more PMs today than I have since joining this site. I have new friends that want to spend some time with me this summer.

    I just hope that this redneck moron can find some good entertainment for my new friend.

    Now it’s time for this top dog to get back to doing a good job of annoying people.
  11. MassGuy2

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    The biggest babies always cry out in the open.....

    ....guess we know who the biggest baby is...gotta grab attention always...or help for his annoying ways...:cool:
  12. jwelectric

    jwelectric Electrical Contractor/Instructor

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    hey dude who is sending PMs to who?

    Who is doing all the crying in the PMs
  13. jwelectric

    jwelectric Electrical Contractor/Instructor

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    Just for the benefit of all I made a comment about the original post and how in my opinion it was useless and then the PM started. Some of which are fairly funny as a matter of fact.

    Maybe I should have responded with a comment about how great of an idea this was and how such an installation would rock the very foundations of the electrical trade. Maybe I should have questioned why with all the brilliant minds in the electrical trade someone hadn’t thought of this before. Grab two wires from two different circuits and wire up a light bulb so we will know when the pump is running unless the bulb blows or we fall asleep or go to work or eat at the table or whatever. At least when the bulb ain’t burning we ain’t paying for no electric for that dry well.

    But instead I gave the idea a thumbs down as it is just about as silly as anything I have ever encountered in my whole life. But then again who am I? Just some ole southern redneck hillbilly moron top dog attention grabbing baby that does a good job of annoying someone.

    EDITED TO ADD;

    Got three more while making this post. Might read them tomorrow.
    I will copy and paste them here if you want to see them.
  14. MassGuy2

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    Its plain and simple...you were direspectful in you original reply so you got what you deserved...when someone asks a question dont treat it like its the stupidest thing you ever heard...answer as unadvisable...not sarcasm!!
  15. jwelectric

    jwelectric Electrical Contractor/Instructor

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    What was it that Forrest Gump said, “stupid is as stupid does”

    When someone asks a stupid question in most cases they get a stupid answer especially when they make the statement such as;
    I did give you the correct answer but I didn’t give you the answer you wanted to hear;
    What you wanted to hear was you had the best idea anyone has come up with in over a thousand years. You have come up with a design that will set the electrical trade on its heels.

    But the truth is as I have already said;
    Now feel free to send some more derogatory PMs and give me what I deserve.
  16. MassGuy2

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    Yuor hopeless...must be the way you treat your customers based on that fancy pretty yellow trailer you live in...my shed is half the size of that thing.....later..aint comin back here to stupidsville.....bye ...:rolleyes:
  17. jwelectric

    jwelectric Electrical Contractor/Instructor

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    Does this look like a yellow trailer?



    Does this mean you aren't coming to visit like you promised?
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  18. ballvalve

    ballvalve General Engineering Contractor

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    In case anyone wants to answer his question instead of insult him, He needs a FRANKLIN PUMPTEK or at the very least a 15$ low pressure cut out switch for the pressure switch.

    The pumptek will turn back on when water comes back, the switch means he must manually reset it. He wanted to SAVE the pump, not watch a light 24-7.

    Where should the hillbilly aim his drone missile at?
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  19. Terry

    Terry Administrator Staff Member

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    I would rather have my home wired by jwelectric then by a homeowner.

    Ballvalve, I added the link to the pumptek

    As long as water comes out of the pipe at the end, I'm good. I quit doing electrical when I was getting shocked installing a bath fan. I think that one had some mixed up wires too.
  20. Homeownerinburb

    Homeownerinburb New Member

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    Which, as an electrician, reminds me that at times the customer needs a plumber, not an electrician. This accessory to the pump is obscure to me, but then we have no wells in this territory.

    I got lots of respect for plumbers.
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