toopooped
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I bought a Toto Drake less than two weeks ago, and proudly boasted to my wife how we'd never have to use the plunger again. I was really impressed with the flush. Unfortunately... it happened tonight under very normal circumstances and after reading the board carefully there are a handful of reports that these will clog. Will a pressure assist toilet do better?
I'm sure you all think a huge BM must have clogged it, but not true. A very normal amount of solid waste and toilet paper was flushed. The solid waste was removed, but the toilet paper was not and clogged. My wife tried to plunge, which doesn't work well even with a "master plunger" due to the odd parallellogram shape of the Toto outlet. I then flushed two more times to fill the bowl to capacity and then it got moving. I wonder if other owners are too proud to admit that theirs clog on occasion as well. It's admittedly a great forceful flush and looks better than any gravity competition, but I still need better. My wife feels that the old 3.5gal toilet would have handled this fine.
I need a toilet that will virtually never clog unless someone really flushes something foreign. This toilet is going to go into a commercial situation where 300 diffferent people use it 100 times per week and there's noone on staff to handle this sort of thing so it costs +$100 per occurence to get it professionally unclogged. We want to switch to save on water, but we will not switch if it causes more clogs. We absolutely cannot have a toilet that clogs more than the 3.5 - 5 gal toilets that they are replacing. If the consensus is that's impossible then we simply will live with the water costs.
I don't want to go with pressure assist because of the noise, but I'd rather hear some complaints about noise than pay $1200 per year to get a toilet unplugged once a month. (Yes, I know it may cost $100 every 5 years to replace the pressure cartridge - that's a fair tradeoff) I've been told by several plumbers that a pressure assist won't do better than a Toto. I can't believe that when I look at a Flushmate in commercial bathrooms. That pressure flush is much more forceful than even a Toto. If someone actually has numerical data on the litres/sec vs time of a Toto and Flushmate I'd love to hear it. The peak force of the flush has got to be twice as great. I'm not a plumber but remember the physics formula p=mv? Momentum = mass x velocity. It must matter.
Does anyone have a pressure assist toilet in their home or business and seen it clog under normal (non-foreign object) circumstances? How frequently does it happen, and how does that compare to older 3.5/5 gal toilets? I need an ADA height toilet, and I think a Mansfield Quantum / Ecoquantum is the only pressure assist choice. I've searched the board and I don't see any negative comments about these units except that all pressure assist are noisy.
I'm sure you all think a huge BM must have clogged it, but not true. A very normal amount of solid waste and toilet paper was flushed. The solid waste was removed, but the toilet paper was not and clogged. My wife tried to plunge, which doesn't work well even with a "master plunger" due to the odd parallellogram shape of the Toto outlet. I then flushed two more times to fill the bowl to capacity and then it got moving. I wonder if other owners are too proud to admit that theirs clog on occasion as well. It's admittedly a great forceful flush and looks better than any gravity competition, but I still need better. My wife feels that the old 3.5gal toilet would have handled this fine.
I need a toilet that will virtually never clog unless someone really flushes something foreign. This toilet is going to go into a commercial situation where 300 diffferent people use it 100 times per week and there's noone on staff to handle this sort of thing so it costs +$100 per occurence to get it professionally unclogged. We want to switch to save on water, but we will not switch if it causes more clogs. We absolutely cannot have a toilet that clogs more than the 3.5 - 5 gal toilets that they are replacing. If the consensus is that's impossible then we simply will live with the water costs.
I don't want to go with pressure assist because of the noise, but I'd rather hear some complaints about noise than pay $1200 per year to get a toilet unplugged once a month. (Yes, I know it may cost $100 every 5 years to replace the pressure cartridge - that's a fair tradeoff) I've been told by several plumbers that a pressure assist won't do better than a Toto. I can't believe that when I look at a Flushmate in commercial bathrooms. That pressure flush is much more forceful than even a Toto. If someone actually has numerical data on the litres/sec vs time of a Toto and Flushmate I'd love to hear it. The peak force of the flush has got to be twice as great. I'm not a plumber but remember the physics formula p=mv? Momentum = mass x velocity. It must matter.
Does anyone have a pressure assist toilet in their home or business and seen it clog under normal (non-foreign object) circumstances? How frequently does it happen, and how does that compare to older 3.5/5 gal toilets? I need an ADA height toilet, and I think a Mansfield Quantum / Ecoquantum is the only pressure assist choice. I've searched the board and I don't see any negative comments about these units except that all pressure assist are noisy.
If it worked for two weeks, and then it started having problems, there may be something in the trapway that someone dropped in. Terry
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