Help identifying this Kohler toilet

Discussion in 'Toilet Forum discussions' started by ehuisvuil, Aug 10, 2013.

  1. ehuisvuil

    ehuisvuil In the Trades

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    Hi,

    A guy in my area is selling this never-used Kohler 1.6gpf toilet that he bought about 4 or 5 years ago and put in storage. Does anyone know what model it is and if it flushes well?

    Also, I want to use it with a bidet seat. Will it work with one of the standard ones, like a Brondell Swoosh?

    Thanks,
    Robert

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  2. wjcandee

    wjcandee Wise One

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    Take off the tank lid and find the K- number inside. Should be K-_______. That will tell us and you a lot.
  3. ehuisvuil

    ehuisvuil In the Trades

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    So far, I only have the pictures. I probably will have to buy it (or not) when I go see it tomorrow night. I am hoping someone on the thread will recognize it before then.
  4. wjcandee

    wjcandee Wise One

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    So...call the guy and ask him to tell you what the K number is inside the tank; that way we can be sure what you're dealing with.

    EDIT: If it has the Ingenium Flush as Terry suggests below -- my own experience is that the Ingenium Flush is a horrible, clog-o-matic mess. Avoid. I removed ours and replaced with a Toto Drake.

    Go get something that works. We have plenty of suggestions on here at a variety of price ranges.
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  5. Terry

    Terry Administrator Staff Member

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  6. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    K-3323 or K-3322 depending on the height. It does have the Ingenium valve.
  7. Gary Swart

    Gary Swart In the Trades

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    If it has the Ingenium valve, save your money. I don't know where in Washington you live, but if you are anywhere even half way close to Bothell, just go to Terry and buy a Toto.
  8. ehuisvuil

    ehuisvuil In the Trades

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    I don't think it is one of those. Those two toilets both taper in as you look down the side of the tank (see left picture). This one has the porcelain extend down from the tank straight to the floor (see right):

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  9. wjcandee

    wjcandee Wise One

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    That's an illusion. The tank stops at the level of the bowl in the seller's photo. There is never a need for a tank to go to the floor, since gravity pulls the water out of the tank and into the bowl. There are a couple of versions of the Santa Rosa, and the Kohler photo you posted shows a different tank design by the bowl (concave rather than convex). Also, the plastic masks the fact that the toilet in the photo isn't skirted all the way back.

    If Terry and HJ both think it's a Santa Rosa, it's almost certainly a Santa Rosa. Save yourself the aggravation and buy something good.
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  10. Terry

    Terry Administrator Staff Member

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    Kohler Santa Rosa, looking inside the tank.
    The one that "is" several years old.

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  11. khinanight

    khinanight New Member

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    I believe it is the K-3323 Santa Rosa 1 piece toilet. It has the Ingenum flush and I would recommend against buying this one. It only has a so-so flush at 1.6 gallons per flush.
  12. ehuisvuil

    ehuisvuil In the Trades

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    Thanks for all the feedback! I am going to take all this advice and steer clear of this toilet. I probably will get a Drake.
  13. Gary Swart

    Gary Swart In the Trades

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    Good decision! Too often we get folks supposedly asking for advice when all they really want is an OK to follow their original idea. If you are reasonably close to Bothell, hustle over to Terry's and get your toilet from him. It not only will be the best price, it will help support the man that makes this forum possible.
  14. ehuisvuil

    ehuisvuil In the Trades

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    Absolutely. I only asked for advice because I actually want the advice.

    There's a funny follow-up to this toilet's story. The toilet was a good price for a never-used toilet -- $50. I passed on your advice to the guy who was selling the toilet that it was a Kohler Santa Rosa and that he could look under the tank for the model number. I think he followed the advice because he relisted his ad, this time with the model and number. He raised the price to $100, with a link to a web page with the current price of this model. Personally, I wish him well and hope he gets his price.

    I would definitely buy from Terry if I lived close by. I actually live in the Washington that is our nation's capital.

    Hey -- quick question -- what's the best toilet ring for installing a Drake?
  15. wjcandee

    wjcandee Wise One

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    Just a plain old wax ring is fine. If your closet flange is mounted on top of the finished floor or at least the top of the flange is above the level of the finished floor, one ring should do. If it's below the top of the finished floor, use two rings (the one on top of the flange with no plastic insert, the one above with the plastic flange/funnel insert, or with no funnel; don't stack two with funnels in them)
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