HELP! how do you position a right angle fitting at 12 o'clock?

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  1. rkscpa

    rkscpa New Member

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    i have a right angle tapered thread brass fitting that must be at 12 oclock
    hand tight it stops at 1 o clock and wrenching only goes a hair more so it has to be backed out to 12 o clock
    this makes for a leak and also it rubs against another part
    any ideas? this must be a common problem with threaded fittings that need to be in a precise position
    i cant see try to tighten from 1 o clock all the way around to 12 o clock almost 1 full turn, i think it will go to 2 or 3 o clock max
    thanks for your help
  2. Terry

    Terry Administrator Staff Member

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    Normally you have two ends of a pipe nipple to work with. If that is the case, remove the nipple, wrap both ends with tape and try it again.
  3. rkscpa

    rkscpa New Member

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    no in this case, it is a brass rt angle fitting, tapered male that threads into a tapped female hole. the other end must face straight up and is a flare nut female
    the male thread just happens to snug at 1 oclock , the worst poss place, too loose to back off and too tight to make another revolution
    thanks!
  4. Terry

    Terry Administrator Staff Member

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    You either need to be stronger, or experiment with more wraps of tape.
  5. LLigetfa

    LLigetfa DIYer, not in the trades

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    Can't say I ever came across not being able to do a full turn beyond hand tight. That said, at times I had to mix-and-match components to get the desired result.

    Worst case one time it took a thread chaser to get a smidgen more.
  6. craigpump

    craigpump Member

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    I would try another fitting with the hopes that the threads were started in a different position. Or like LL said, run a tap into the female and deepen the threads a bit.
  7. jadnashua

    jadnashua Retired Defense Industry Engineer xxx

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    Unless the actual threads are lousy or the part is defective, you can almost always make at least another turn from hand tight - often more.
  8. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    If you cannot turn it the rest of the way, the fitting may be "bottoming out" inside the female thread, in which case you probably have defective thread on one of the two pieces.
  9. Wet_Boots

    Wet_Boots Sprinkler Guy

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    I would be applying a good thread sealant like Megaloc on top of the teflon tape.

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  10. LLigetfa

    LLigetfa DIYer, not in the trades

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    Ja, ran into that once and had to shorten up the male end {{shudder}}.
  11. rkscpa

    rkscpa New Member

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    thanks, more comments

    thanks to everyone for your help,
    an update - i ran the rt angle in finger tight, and it doesn't leak, i'm keeping an eye on it but this is a little scary. i'll start over when i have more time

    solutions
    i was thinking, maybe the parts are designed so that they cinch up at a pre determined position, if you tap x.xxx inches deep and the rt angle thread cut is standardized, it will lock up where you want? so a new rt angle may work, NPTF (fuel) threads deform to create a seal so maybe they need to be replaced and not reused

    try other parts - most feasible, i'm planning to buy 10 rt angles and try em,
    fuel thread sealant - supposedly not necessary for NPTF but they sell it so i'll try some if i can't get a good seal (aviation form a gasket no 3)
    tapping deeper - difficult in that it take a little skill and have to make sure you have NPTF tap, it would be easier to run a die of the male and it won't leave shavings inside the female port
    more tape - i was told many times that tape is not good for fuel lines, can break loose and clog downstream, in some cases it's banned, i'll use sealant if needed
    one more turn - it is really tight at 1 oclock, i think i have spare female parts that i can try this on but not comfortable trying on new ($150), i sense that i am putting about 20-30 lbs on the fitting, i've done quite a few fuel fittings and w NPTF you don;t need to overload, it snugs right away. NPT (pipe thread) will go that extra turn because there's a gap bet the threads, hence the need for dope or teflon to seal,

    thanks for the help !!!!!!
  12. Terry

    Terry Administrator Staff Member

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    I haven't run into a fitting that I couldn't spin another 360 past hand tight. Your hand tight must be very tight.
  13. rkscpa

    rkscpa New Member

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    Terry,
    thanks for checking in, i think diff is the NPT vs NPTF as i noted above. the NPTF (fuel) is a dry seal and seals by deforming the threads so they are tight. the NPT (pipe thread) seals with teflon or liquid sealant so it will turn the full turn. if you've ever put a fuel line of fitting in, if there is no friction or hose binding the fitting, they will not go go very far past hand tight . i'll reply when i have more updates, thx all
  14. Wet_Boots

    Wet_Boots Sprinkler Guy

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    bring back a photo or two
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