CRANE - slow flusher

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  1. amat_plumb

    amat_plumb New Member

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    CRANE - slow flusher - NEW brown color

    Have an older Crane toilet taht just doesnt work that great

    it flushes most of the time. not the best fulsh, kind of slow, not strong

    use plunger on it frequently. sometimes after plunged well, seems to work pretty good for a short while




    waht can cause this. Is there a blockage in trapway, or below toilet??? Are the jets/siphon jet not clean/blocked?? the tank is full when I flush, and fills ok.


    how can I troubleshoot this? should I just replace??

    I have a smililar model downstairs that doesnt have these issues
    Last edited: May 5, 2010
  2. Terry

    Terry Administrator Staff Member

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    More than likely you have something in the trapway of the bowl slowing down the siphon.

    Take a closet auger to it and see what you find.

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    We use a closet auger with the large 1-3/8" end on it.
    Smaller cables can go right by the obstruction and not move it.

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  3. amat_plumb

    amat_plumb New Member

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    the auger i have doesnt seem to have an end on it at all. the wire just slightly is opened

    will try anyway
  4. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    HOW old is the toilet? Does it have a flapper in the bottom with a white styrofoam float? I have had toilets like that which have lost their floats inside the toilet which blocked the flow. Once, I removed FOUR of them from one toilet.
  5. amat_plumb

    amat_plumb New Member

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    pretty old. i did replace flapper months ago. dont know what you mean about styrofoam floats. where do they get stuck?? in the flush valve/hole??

    there is nothing loose in the tank
  6. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    Assuming you have a Crane toilet with the molded china flapper seat, then the original, and many replacement flappers have a white styrofoam float on the bottom. Originally the tank to bowl gasket had plastic insert with "X" crossmembers to catch the float if it fell off. Quite often over the years that insert disappears and then the float can drop into the water passage that goes to the siphon jet preventing proper flushing. I remove them by heating a wire red hot, shoving it down through the flush valve opening, hopefully into the float, waiting minute or so for it to cool off and then pulling the wire out. If it penetrated it properly, it will be stuck to the wire and come out. Otherwise, you have to remove the tank so you can see the float and then remove it that way.
  7. amat_plumb

    amat_plumb New Member

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    should these pieces of styrofoam be visible deep in the flush valve, or do I need to remove the tank to check
  8. amat_plumb

    amat_plumb New Member

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    interesting detail

    forgot to mention. brown streaks seeping from top of bowl jets. also bottom of flapper is brown/discoloured(originally pink)

    no other discolouration in tank. could there be something in flush valve/ jet ring area????
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