Which Shower Valve is best?

Discussion in 'Shower & bathtub Forum & Blog' started by jawx, Sep 1, 2007.

  1. jawx

    jawx New Member

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    I am replacing a 20-year old Carefree single-handle shower control--there are no replacement cartridges; Universal Rundle is not supporting them. I found that the Delta protrudes farther from the wall than the others, which is a problem for me, but it seems to be a solid control. I actually purchased several units at HD and Lowes to compare them. The American Standard (AS) :confused: seems to make the most secure device, but AS is divesting itself of the retail plumbing and I fear that the AS may go the way of Carefree! The Moen is very small and compact, and has the shortest protrusion from the wall. I haven't seen the Grohe or the Peerless. Are there any honest comparisons with pros and cons? It's tough to change it after it's installed!:confused:
  2. Delta Is Best

    as far as dependability, quality and ease of design..

    and being able to repair one 35 years from now.

    get the DELTA and forget about all the rest...

    Peerless is made by Delta.....its good too.



    It secures down just fine, never had a problem with that issue
    and you are not
    supposed to be banging up against the faucet anyway....

    Second best you can get is the Moen posi temp...not a bad faucet
    but difficult to repair down the road....





    American Standard never was a decent faucet, it was a crappy
    design from day one......back in the late 80s..?

    Kohler, Price Fister, are all
    basically junk too...., I wont touch one...

    they are not worth the time to hunt down parts for weeks on end.

    [​IMG]
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  3. Every faucet in my 1977 home, including the two shower/tub units, are Delta's. I wouldn't have any other brand for durability and ease of maintenance.
    Mike
  4. jimbo

    jimbo Plumber

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    I don't understand the comment about Amer. Std. I am not aware of them "divesting from retail plumbing"!!!!

    Opinions vary. Almost everyone ( plumbers, that is) like Delta for ease of installation and repair.

    Moen is good. So is Price Pfister. Most brands, including these, have "good/better/best" arrangements in terms of styling and quality of trim. The internals are all mostly the same high quality.

    Repair people hate Kohler because they are hard to work on and hard to find parts for.

    Stay away from exotic brands found at design centers, because they are imported, the actual maker is often unknown, and the availabilty of parts and tech supports is usually iffy. Also for a tub or shower, where total replacement is not desired for 20+ years, stay away from generic import brands like Glacier Bay, Pegasus, EZ Flow, ProValue, etc etc for the reasons mentioned above.
  5. jawx

    jawx New Member

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    American Standard

    Thanks for the opinions!

    The reference to American Standard is about the agreement to sell its bath- and kitchen-products business to private-equity firm Bain Capital Partners LLC announced on 7/24/07. See WSJ article for details:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB 118519920959374938.html

    Usually, as in "Pretty Woman", the segments of private-equity purchased companies are sliced and diced.

    I did like the AS volume control and option to keep the same temperature setting between uses. But if it is junk, then I'll return it.
    Does anyone like AS?
  6. Peanut9199

    Peanut9199 Customer Service Manager Plumbing Wholesale

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    "On February 1, 2007, American Standard Companies announced it would break up its three divisions. The company will sell off its kitchen and bath division and spin off WABCO, American Standard's vehicle controls division, while retaining The Trane Company. American Standard is expected to rebrand itself as The Trane Company. It is believed that American Standard wants to drop its kitchen and bath division due to under performance."

    With toilets like the Champion it's no wonder
  7. jadnashua

    jadnashua Retired Defense Industry Engineer xxx

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    Many of the manufacturers make a thermostaticly controlled valve...nobody has a lock on the concept although the quality of the implementations may vary.
  8. gfe76

    gfe76 New Member

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    master plumber mark, why are moen difficult to repair down the road? I thought the cartridge just slides out. Although I know sometimes they are difficult to remove.
  9. Peanut9199

    Peanut9199 Customer Service Manager Plumbing Wholesale

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  10. Wet_Boots

    Wet_Boots Sprinkler Guy

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    Moen makes a 'pulling' tool for their cartridges, to help their removal. Of course, when an old brass handle thread breaks off flush in the stem, then you are more or less SOL
  11. Access for All

    Access for All New Member

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    And what about Moentrol vs. their Posi-Temp?

    I work with individuals with disabilities and want to set up systems with separate temp controls so that they can set the temp once and not need to lean into the shower several times to get just the right temperature. I thought I found a reasonable cost answer with the Moentrol. However, at least one plumber has said that they didn't like Moen (maybe they'd only used the Posi-Temp?) and multiple plumbers use only Grohe, stating that they never need to go back for repairs. Now I'm looking at the Grohemix, but not all my clients can afford a full Grohe set up.

    Hence my questions:
    - What do you think about Moentrol?
    - Can I mix and match components. i.e. the Grohemix, but other co's wall unions, hand held showers, etc. (as long as they're all of course 1/2")?
    - If I use a volume control so that the individual CAN have both the shower spray AND the hand held spray at the same time, do they greatly lose pressure in each?
    - Given that I want the temp control separate from the on/off/volume, a standard shower head, a wall union, a hand held shower, a diverter or sep vol control for the hh sh, a 71"+ sh hose, adjustable bracket and separate single hook for the hand held shower, do any of you have any specific recommendations? My client's can't deal with plumbing break-downs.

    I'd like to get a couple "packages" together in a couple price ranges.
    All guidance is greatly appreciated!

    Access for All
    Independence for all.
    Last edited: Oct 22, 2007
  12. johnfrwhipple

    johnfrwhipple I love these ACO Shower Drains - Best in Class

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    Dornbracht - Best in Class for Shower Valves

    I know this is an old discussion but I need to keep it alive and point out for a steam shower or anyone concerned about building a water tight shower there is no finer or better product than the shower fixtures from Dornbracht.

    Best design.

    Best quality.

    Not so price friendly so not best in budgeting....

    Check out the latest massage shower from Dornbracht called the Horizontal Shower!!!

    [​IMG]

    Who doesn't like get horizontal in the shower?
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