Toto Drake II Didn't Solve Our Problem - What now?

Discussion in 'Toilet Forum discussions' started by L84Cabo, Apr 30, 2014.

  1. L84Cabo

    L84Cabo New Member

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    We're at the tail end of a remodel...and at our wits end. We've got a 14 year old kid that never met a toilet that she couldn't clog. We thought the Drake II would solve our problems. She clogged it first time out! Sigh. We also have a Drake I still to be installed. Will the Drake I be better than the II?

    We have one toilet left in the house to replace. It wasn't intended to be part of all this but under the circumstances we may not have a choice. What should it be?
  2. Terry

    Terry Administrator Staff Member

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    There is a 1% of the population that plugs most anything.

    In that case, you may be looking at something in the Caroma line, or a Kohler Highline Pressure Assist with Flushmate.
    The Caroma is gravity with a 3" trapway. The Kohler with Flushmate is a larger than 2" trapway with a pressure tank.

    The Drake I will be similar to the II. If she plugs the II, then you have a tough one. I would pick up one toilet for her, and that becomes "her" bathroom.
  3. Reach4

    Reach4 Active Member

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    Have her hold the handle down to see if the extra water helps. Also consider an extra earlier flush before the paperwork is done.
  4. wjcandee

    wjcandee Wise One

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    Yeah. I have found that the process is as important as the deposit.

    Deposit human waste. Flush. Do paperwork. At a certain point, flush again. If more paperwork required, then do it and flush again. And you will still use less than one flush of an old waterhog.

    The pressure assist is going to be a lot noisier. And for the Caroma, better make sure that your waste hole is at least 3 inches. I am amazed how many flanges I see on here that have been installed with, say, an inside flange on a 3" pipe, thus reducing it below the width of the outflow of the Caroma. Of course, for a good plumber, changing that stuff out is no big deal, but it isn't going to be free.

    Are you guys using Charmin Ultra? If so, dividing up the paperwork or switching to a paper with less rag content may help. If it's the deposit itself, hard to see how that could clog a Drake or Drake II, but I know Terry has seen that 1% occasionally... Usually, it's the paper and the quantity thereof that challenges a toilet.
    Last edited: May 1, 2014
  5. SteveW

    SteveW DIY Senior Member

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    Any chance she is flushing something other than human waste and TP?

    E.g. a feminine hygiene product?
    E.g. lots of Kleenex?
  6. jadnashua

    jadnashua Retired Defense Industry Engineer xxx

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    Sometimes, the diet of teenagers is lousy...trying to get them to eat any roughage is an almost impossible task. That may or may not be part of the problem. A little bit of something like Metamucil can make a huge difference with some people and has a side benefit of helping to reduce bad cholesterol as well. But, like Terry said, there are some people's bodies that just don't respond to the normal signals that it's time, and things get held much longer than they should, the body extracts more moisture, and no toilet works well passing logs, but the Caroma probably works best of those available.
  7. L84Cabo

    L84Cabo New Member

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    Did you just call me a one percenter? ;)

    Thank you for the advice! It is greatly appreciated!

    And yes, we're sure she's not flushing anything else. I almost wish she was as that would be a much easier problem to solve.

    Thanks all!
  8. Wallijonn

    Wallijonn Member

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    Did the Drake I work okay?

    What are the CA laws like? What is the max gpf in your area? Are you limited to 1.6, 1.28, 1.0 or 0.8 gpf?
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