New water softener system awaiting installation, few questions.

Discussion in 'Water Softener Forum, problems, installation and r' started by marcelo73, Nov 12, 2012.

  1. ditttohead

    ditttohead Water systems designer, R&D

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    You are the one who brought up 20 years, in this thread, Just re-read, it is not that complex... maybe it is, to much nicotine restricting blood flow to the brain?

    Really, you didnt tell someone to fix a plumbing leak with duct tape? Are you seriously going to try to change up that story? Like the way you had never heard of PVC well casings?

    Now to the point, allowing the system to run low on salt... cleaning the brine tank and sanitizing it, how is that a bad idea every other year? Why would that be bad? How can it hurt? What would you, the king of DIY, require of the minions?
  2. Gary Slusser

    Gary Slusser That's all folks!

    I said "The grid allows the 'dirt' to stay on the bottom of the tank and cause no problems until there is a few inches of it, which should be in maybe 20+ years if not a decade or two longer than that.".

    I' told you about the duct tape and no, at the time I had not heard of PVC well casing and drillers in my area may not be using it yet. They like the superior strength of steel for their usually deep rock bore wells.

    I did not mention variable reserve on a twin tank softener so what are you talking about?

    I'm thinking you confused my saying "I used a correctly sized two tank softener with variable reserve ..." with a twin tank.
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  3. Tom Sawyer

    Tom Sawyer In the Trades

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    You can't use PVC to extend a well case. It's against code
  4. Gary Slusser

    Gary Slusser That's all folks!

    Strange that I keep hearing how nothing is illegal unless you're caught, but then I guess there has to be a law against the thing to start with or it's not illegal. And then there's that thing about PVC being used for well casing. Makes it sound as if something must be outta whack.
  5. Tom Sawyer

    Tom Sawyer In the Trades

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    Isn't that a quote from the bootlegger program?
  6. Gary Slusser

    Gary Slusser That's all folks!

    Nah, that's Moonshiners. Bootleggers are those that transport the moonshine so, it's called Moonshiners because it's about making moonshine illegally or until they get enough money to make it legally.
  7. marcelo73

    marcelo73 New Member

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    From water softeners to moonshine... Love this forum!

    Looks like install will have to be put off as I now have been flooded with work, haven't had a day off in 8 days.

    I have purchased all copper fittings and salt, all I need to do is get a water hardness reading and daily water usage number and get a day off!

    Can I even use the word "flooded" on a plumbing forum??? Lol!!!

    Happy thanksgiving fellas ... Gobble gobble
  8. marcelo73

    marcelo73 New Member

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    So today I tentatively put down all the copper piping and have a few questions(I have zero plumbing experience). At one point the copper piping will run along concrete for approximately 8" then up into tanks, and of course the return lines. NOW, does the piping need to be wrapped or do I need to lay anything underneath it. It will be secured to the ground with concrete screws and copper straps.

    Also can anyone recommend a home water hardness test kit from the home depot or lowes, I did the water and soap at home test but according to the foaming, it would indicate I do not have hard water, even though scale suggests otherwise.
  9. Mikey

    Mikey Aspiring Old Fart, EE, computer & networking geek

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    I'm no expert, but I sure wouldn't strap copper pipe to concrete. (The experts will undoubtedly correct me and/or tell you how to secure it properly.)
  10. Gary Slusser

    Gary Slusser That's all folks!

    I agree.

    A piece of wood etc. anchored to the concrete between the concrete and the tubing would be my way of doing it. Or put a sleeve over the copper and a couple spacers of whatever works instead of something as long as the tubing.
  11. ditttohead

    ditttohead Water systems designer, R&D

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    Home Depot and other home improvement stores typically do not sell adequate test kits. Get a Hach 5B test kit. It is a simple and accurate kit that is reasonably priced.
  12. marcelo73

    marcelo73 New Member

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    Thanks for your input on pipe along concrete, I will fix that.

    Ditto, thanks for info on test kit I will search for it.

    M
  13. Mikey

    Mikey Aspiring Old Fart, EE, computer & networking geek

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    Any thoughts about pressure-treated wood?
  14. ditttohead

    ditttohead Water systems designer, R&D

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    strut.png

    Unistrut with insulated clamp.
  15. marcelo73

    marcelo73 New Member

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    Exactly along the lines that I was thinking, replacing of course every couple of years as im sure even treated wood outdoor exposed would weather after time.
  16. marcelo73

    marcelo73 New Member

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    This looks like a great fix, I will look into it.
  17. Mikey

    Mikey Aspiring Old Fart, EE, computer & networking geek

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    That's definitely the pro way to do it. Very pricey, but if you've got a buddy in the trades, she might be able to get you some short pieces of scrapped Unistrut. I've gotten a lot of it out of jobsite Dumpsters.

    Re treated wood, I'd heard that it and copper in contact don't get along, but the new treatments are copper-based and may be just fine.
  18. marcelo73

    marcelo73 New Member

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    Yes it is a bit out of my budget, but definetly the pro way. I may just make some adjustments and run along the exterior of the house which is stucco, wait would stucco have same alkalinity effect that concrete does? The treated wood which is copper based might be the most economical.
  19. Gary Slusser

    Gary Slusser That's all folks!

    If it was me, I'd save a few bucks and a lot of worry it seems by using sch 40 PVC instead of copper and laying it right on the concrete. And an additional benefit is no one wants to steal plastic...
  20. ditttohead

    ditttohead Water systems designer, R&D

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