Master plumber advice needed

Discussion in 'Plumbing Forum, Professional & DIY Advice' started by remod1, Mar 15, 2007.

  1. remod1

    remod1 New Member

    any experience in multi story plumbing?? no individual shut offs, can shut off zones ie master bath powder room kitchen all floors.need to replace the shower mix valve and the shut offs for the toilet and lavs. how can I sweat the pipes or do they all need to be comp?
  2. hire.

    i'm not the right person to tell you how to hold back the drips.

    I'm pretty sure that to work on that portion of a 17 storey building that involves the "common" elements, you need to hire a Master Plumber, and not just consult one on the internet. This is a big-time responsibility thing. Not like doing your own plumbing in your own home.

  3. remod1

    remod1 New Member

    I have stuffed bread into pipes to stop water flow and its worked. but this multi storey thing has me baffled. I am a master plumber in my own right. I am not a card carrying dues paying union plumber. I have been doing this stuff for 25 years this hi rise stuff is somewhat new though. any insight would be helpful thought.
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  4. ruben s.

    ruben s. New Member

    need floor drain advice

    multi-story apts. they forgot a flr drain inpublic bathroom, need a shallo p-trap, with trap primer..cored it, have post tension cables..need advice and product pronto, any body got a solution
  5. remod1

    remod1 New Member

    Nice lame joke ruben.
  6. fooling with big buildings

    If you are not a plumber , fooling with something
    that large could get you in trouble...

    I generally shy away from messing with them....

    many large buildings wont let "harry homeowner"
    fool with the plumbing....have you got permission from the landlord to play "russian roulette " with his property??

    you are gonna do what ever you want,, and perhaps you are already a lic plumber

    but while you are asking advice on how to do service in a 17 story building....
    please make sure you have plenty of insurance just in case you flood out the 12 flooors below you...

    good will be fun
  7. Cass

    Cass Plumber

    Do you have enough liability insurance $$$ to cover what could happen and will it cover a claim on a 17 story building?

    Most jurisdictions will not go after someone who is not licensed and working on a single family home but a 17 story building (anything over 3 family in this state) is a horse of a different color. Your asking for trouble should something go wrong.
  8. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

    Cave Creek, Arizona

    Where did the 17 stories come from, or did I miss something? You don't need "bread". You just need to open the faucets on the lowest floor. You do need to sweat, and not use compression, inside the walls. The angle fixture stops can be compression. Ah, now I see where the 17 stories came from. The consequence of starting a second thread instead of continuing with the first one, and without referencing the first one.
    Last edited: Mar 16, 2007
  9. Bob NH

    Bob NH In the Trades

    New Hampshire
    You are certainly going to get everyone's attention when you shut off the water, so the manager is going to know about it. I would raise holy hell if some unit owner had my water shut off for his convenience.

    Who plumbed this building without stops for each unit?
  10. remod1

    remod1 New Member

    First off I plan on Hiring a Plumber. Second the building was plumbed in the early seventys. It was plumbed in stacks so all the master baths are on one stack powder room another etc. each with there own shut off. I was inquiring for
    my own edification. I was trying to find out if there is a (trick) of the trade
    I did not know about concerning multi story buildings. I was thinking it would take quite some time to drain down that many floors.I have a million dollar
    liability policy and the brains enough to know when to hire a professional!!
    However to figure how much time would be involved in two shower rough ins
    in this circumstance was one of the purposes of me posting to the PROFESSIONALS here. Thanks to those of you who replyed with real answers
    to my post.
  11. Professionals???

    Who here claimed that they wereany professionals here ????

    We are not doctors, you are talking to plumbers here fella......
    but we make more money than some doctors do.....
    so does that make us professionals???

    I was just giving advice laced sometimes with some freindly sarcasm....

    Big buildings can be a pain in the neck to find someone
    willing to do the work in, in the first place...that is your first hurdle.
    Make sure the fellow is insured up about 10mil....

    All I know is depending on where you are
    located , especially in NYC .......

    they wont let you touch anything without approval and by people that they
    allow you to use.....with their permission....

    a measely little million dollar insurance policy
    wont even scratch the surface for a good old
    fashioned downpour.....

    again good luck and have fun
    Last edited: Mar 16, 2007
  12. I'm not a plumber

    But play one on the internet.

    Even if there was isolation valves installed when the building was built back in the 70's, those valves wouldn't be operable today anyway.

    I don't think they had ball valves back then either. If cut-in valves were legal....that would be the only thing worth trying to isolate. Freezing kits would be another option but it's like anything in mass housing; you put it in and it doesn't get turned on or off until you need it....then it doesn't work anyway.

    I used to work on 2-32 unit buildings taking care of all the service work. Two months and even though I was making money....the routine sucked.

    The management would give 24 hour notice that the water was going to be shut down and instantly after it was off, complaints followed.

    Always a hold out that would prevent a dedicated day to work on a faucet or likewise. All the old valves installed....none worked and the owner would not pay to replace them; figured that using the main for everything is cheaper.....and he was right. Just pissed everyone off when the entire building loses water for a faucet rebuild. :mad:
  13. Verdeboy

    Verdeboy In the Trades


    For those of us who have worked extensively in apartment buildings, shutting off the water to a whole building is routine. The trick is to let them know in advance with a written note or just pound on doors if there's an emergency. The office staff has to deal with all the bitching.

    But it sounds like he is able to shut off small sections, and so unless the gate valves are leaking, the pipes should empty out pretty fast. If not, there's techniques better than bread, like Jet-Swet.
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  14. kordts

    kordts In the Trades

    exurban Chicago
    I guess because I have been a plumber for 11 years, I must be a master remodeler/G.C. because I have cut wood to make backing, cut studs to get them out of the way, cut holes in drywall, drilled thru siding and brick. I have busted up concrete and finished it, I have used screws and nails to put studs and backing in place, I guess you could say I have done every facet of construction. Plus, I have seen all the other trades doing their jobs, so I must be a master remodeler/G.C. It's easy.
  15. remod1

    remod1 New Member

    your not even close kordts

    I have spent 30 years learning my TRADE! Just because you can cut a floor joist out of your way without heading it off does not make you a gc your a hack plumber at best.
  16. Terry

    Terry Administrator Staff Member

    Bothell, Washington
    I think you missed the humour that Kordts was using.
    It was a joke.

    We all know that it takes years to find out all the reasons and whys of our trades.
    I worked with a plumber once that couldn't make two pieces of wood stick together using 16p nails. He kept bending them over when he hit them.
    He could bench press about 350 pounds, but a hammer was too much for him.
  17. different strokes for different dummies....

    Seems like plumbers do what they are
    comfortable with and used to from doing it every day
    and everyone finds their own "special" nitch.......

    I do only home service , and some re-model

    Here are some promises I have made to myself after some bitter experiences in plumbing

    I will never pull a well pump ....never again

    I will never clean out a main sewer line....never again

    I will never do new construction...never again
    I will never do commercial construction ....never again

    I will never park two blocks away and then
    haul my stuff up the elevator 13 floors just to do
    a job in a tall building......never again

    I will never sell tankless water-heaters.....

    and the most important promise I have made

    I will never try to help out my employees or treat them like sons, freinds, or whatever way in hell
  18. srdenny

    srdenny Plumbing Contractor

    SF Peninsula
    I occasionally do remodel work on a 9 story condo building with only one shut off for hot and one for cold. Need a weeks notice to do a shut down and we're usually only allowed 2-3 hours of down time. They don't even allow us to do the shut down. Their on call plumber does it. Fortunately, he's an old friend. Our solution is to do a lot of prefab and working back to source. On shut down days I man the job with as many plumbers as I can fit into the unit I'm working on. When the water is turned back on, everybody crosses their fingers. Even with shut down warnings posted in the elevators and at the main entries for days ahead of time there's always a few complaints hurled at the building manager.
    It's the type of work I wouldn't want to specialize in, for sure. Shlepping material up the elevators is a real treat, too.
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