Leaving the Drywall Short - Baseboard shall cover it

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  1. chefwong

    chefwong New Member

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    So ...new checkvalve in the basement. Hopefully, this will the end all - be all to sewer water backup flooding in the basement.
    It's happens once every 6- 8 years...

    10" Wide plant wood flooring is getting ripped out :mad:

    Anyhow, after the Finished flooring (tile), how common or not , does someone cut the drywall higher up .....and just let the baseboard cover it. I'm inclined to have the sheetrock cut 3/4 - 1 1/4" cut higher than the finished flooring. This way, it kinda will at least not be a sponge to the water should I ever get water again. I've been smitten by this whole mold/remodel situation.


    Crazy idea of common practice on some parts of the world.
  2. TJanak

    TJanak New Member

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    Baseboard that I have used is not flat on the backside, but milled out to be thinner in the middle section. So looking at the profile of the baseboard you have only about 1/2" of flat surface at the bottom and top of the baseboard that would touch the drywall. When the drywall is cut up too high, the baseboard does not sit parallel to the wall, but rather the bottom gets sucked under the drywall when nailed. When I've had drywall cut up too high I've actually had to cut strips of wood that are 1/2" think and slide them under the drywall so the bottom of the baseboard is up against the wood strip and the baseboard sits straight.
  3. jadnashua

    jadnashua Retired Defense Industry Engineer xxx

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    The taper on the edge of most drywall is often nearly the height of common baseboard. Did you know that the paper on drywall has grain to it? It should be installed horizontally, not vertically, for maximum strength. This puts one big seam about mid-way up the wall (and the long edges). That's one reason why they make 12' sheets, but they're a really big pain to move around (best left to the pros with the right tools) - they minimize those harder to conceal edges after taping.
  4. johnjh2o1

    johnjh2o1 Plumbing Contractor for 49 years

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    That may be one reason to install it horizontally but the main reason is to make it easier to tape. It puts the joint 4" off the floor with 8' ceilings. If it was hung vertically half the joint would have to be done on stilts then remove the stilts to do the lower half.

    John
  5. BobL43

    BobL43 DIY Senior Member

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    I think Jim kinda said that somewhere in his post. you mean the joint is 4 feet off the floor, right?
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    chefwong New Member

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    BTW, I'm going to have to take a rasp or knive and create a nice deepish bevel on the rock that is still hanging on the wall - to minimize the bump down the middle when I tape back. Grrr..just more dust to vac.

    I'm a stickler for flat and level. Corner beads I prefer all metal, but you need to skim quit a bid to make the level plane.
  7. BobL43

    BobL43 DIY Senior Member

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    that's why they make 62 pound buckets of drywall compound. What a friggin' mess sheetrocking and spackling is. Just went though a room myself.
  8. chefwong

    chefwong New Member

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    Ha. It get's better with age.
    When I 1st did it , it was all JC.
    You get wise, make the 1st bed with hot mud and the second coat with hot mud and then the final coats if not skim coat with JC.....and the more you tape.....the more you learn how to mud and minimize sanding. Investing in a Hepa vac setup with vac sander helps too. I hate it as much as painting.
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  9. Cookie

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    I would cut it short and use a drylock on the walls nearer the bottom. If you are framing in the bottom, for support and for the baseboard, I would use a little tar, too, nearer the floor and the wood frame. Green board might be not a bad idea, either. I just ripped out a complete workshop area where mold was everywhere, behind the cabinets, behind the peg board ( which in one spot was placed nearer the floor and sucked up the water).

    If you need to in the future, fix those walls, ripping off the baseboard, and using bleach & water, then, drylock is alot easier if you don't have to remove some drywall first which might be then, moldy.

    The only reason I suggested using a little tar was because when I ripped this out, I noticed that the part of the wooden framing which had some tar on it, didn't rotten like the wood, my husband didn't use it on. Maybe, it worked, or maybe it was a fluke.
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  10. chefwong

    chefwong New Member

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    Picked up a sample of denshield.
    Water test seems fine...doesn't soak up like a sponge.


    The labor is all the same at the end of the day......but the denshield will require at least 2 skimcoats to get that Level 5 finish.....
  11. johnfrwhipple

    johnfrwhipple I love these ACO Shower Drains - Best in Class

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    Hey Chef.

    Check out this drywall detail!

    No Schluter Profiles on this job....

    On this project today we needed to fix the tile baseboard tight to the wall. Not pre-filling the tapered seams can cause your tile or wood baseboard to fall inwards.

    Here you can see some fine detail we used on the tile edges to make them a little nicer.

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  12. guy48065

    guy48065 New Member

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    God will it ever end...
  13. jadnashua

    jadnashua Retired Defense Industry Engineer xxx

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    Yeah, he had to dig up a 2-year old thread to throw some more darts at...
  14. johnfrwhipple

    johnfrwhipple I love these ACO Shower Drains - Best in Class

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    Should the drywall be left short in your bathroom Build?

    It's best not to leave the drywall short if it is not supported. The main reason for this is to make sure that the drywall is fully supported at the bottom with the bottom plate. If you are planning to leave it a couple inches shy you loose this support. Best to drop in some extra blocking for support then.

    Clearly Jim has no clue what he is talking about here. Some things you can not learn reading other men's posts. Jim is an expert from solar panels to microwaves - just ask him. ;)

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    When installing your tile you need to make sure the tile is not set tight to the drywall. Notice in this picture we have installed silicone around the perimeter of the tile. This keeps out little bugs that might want to move in and offers up a little compression when the floor want to heat up. These are two by two tiles. Our bathroom floors need to move.

    I wrote a story about this for Houzz.
    This bathroom has Ditra below the tile and floor heat. Had Strata Mat be available when I built this I would have used it in lue of the Ditra. Any BAthroom that is no a barrier free is better served with Laticrete's Strata Mat.
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  15. johnfrwhipple

    johnfrwhipple I love these ACO Shower Drains - Best in Class

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    Leaving the drywall short - tile baseboard - flush with drywall

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    This is the great profile I'm talking about . No ugly Schluter Profile. Clean contemporary lines. No wood baseboard.

    Not to hard to achieve.

    I show the process pictures here on this discussion.

    Tile to Wall Transitions - A seamless Look
  16. johnfrwhipple

    johnfrwhipple I love these ACO Shower Drains - Best in Class

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    Drywall in a Bathroom

    The taper end should be pre-filled prior to installing any baseboard. Proper shear strength is not achieve the way Jim mentions. Jim doesn't know much about construction from an installation stand point - he is more of a cut and paste man. Jim's an expert from lawn movers to garage doors - just ask him.

    If you have a small sliver the best thing to do is to install full sheets top and bottom. Install a 2"x6" in the center prior to these boards going up and then install a sliver cut from the taper end of a full sheet. We typically remove this sliver where we are installing sheets to meet the ceiling so many times they are on hand already. Then tape both the seams in the middle. Don't leave a gap at the bottom - your shear strength and Earth Quake requirements for shear will not be met.

    What does Jim really know? Clearly not how to build anything properly. Amazing he answers so many questions with no real life experience. Amazing.

    JW
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  17. johnfrwhipple

    johnfrwhipple I love these ACO Shower Drains - Best in Class

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    Back Framing for Drywall

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    I snapped this photo making a sales call at a home out in Deep Cove. I was trying to get the builder to order a few of my ACO linear Drains and while there priced the work to build the showers. This was going to be a steam shower.

    If you look close in the photo you can see wood blocking between all the wall studs. The original bottom plate covered by a 1.5" concrete pour which encapsulates the heating pipes. If the drywall did not go to the bottom there would be no support there for the bottom of the wall. Drywall plays a huge role in the strength of a wall and structural engineers even specify the nailing or screw pattern on their drawings.

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    This is a photo from a bathroom build in the USA that I'm helping with the steam shower design. When concrete board is used it requires added blocking - I shaded this photo with some blue bands to show my client what she should be asking for from her framers for this step. My local BC Building code does not require this added blocking. The Canadian Building code does not - it is the cement board manufacture that wants to see it.
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