Global Warming...

Discussion in 'Computers and Stuff' started by Cass, Dec 19, 2009.

  1. Cass

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    Here is the problem with "Global Warming" why Governments want control of it and why once Governments can tax it, both the control and taxation will never ever go away...


    The reason is simple...

    regardless of what happens the Government will always have a reason to tax you for it...

    Example..

    They implement their plan and the temps keep going up...they will just say "we need to do more"....

    They implement their plan and the temps fall...they will say "see it worked and we need to keep doing what we are doing"...

    It is a Catch 22

    The problem is that there is no way to prove if anything they do is causing the results they are seeing...it is imposable to know...

    It is a Socialistic World Government or Local Governments Dream...and if they ever declare carbon dioxide a controlled gas then they will be able to control every aspect of your life because that is what you exhale...

    This all goes back to my statement that I would like to see provable science, not just temperature records, that shows the cause of "Global Warming"...I guess it would be to much to ask...and to reasonable...
  2. nhmaster

    nhmaster Master Plumber

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    It was 17 below last night, bring on all the damn global warming you can and do it now.

    If you will excuse me I'm going outside now to start every engine I own and see if I can get my carbon emmissions up. :D
  3. frenchie

    frenchie Jack of all trades

    Define "proveable science". The way you seem to be using the word... they haven't "proven" the law of gravitational attraction yet: it's just the explanation that best fits the observable data / historical record.
  4. Cass

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    Compairing the gravational pull of the earth and climate change is like compairing water pouring out of a glass every time you pour it and the weather...

    To prove the cause of climate change you have to eliminate all other possible causes so there is only one or several reasons left and you have to know exactly what every other causes could possibly be first before you can do that...that would leave you with the exact cause ...then you can work on a possible cure for the preceived problem...then again there may not be any way to solve the problem...that is what needs to be done

    I am saying there are to many variables to be certain as to the exact cause...no one can know at this time...we don't have enough understanding of how the earth works...we don't even know if we know all that we need to know to do anything...new discoveries are made each year about things we had no idea existed that impact the way we understand how things work.....

    just like when they thought the earth was flat and that the earth was the center of the universe and every thing revolved around it...
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  5. Cass

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  6. frenchie

    frenchie Jack of all trades

    You get your science informationg from American Thinker?

    Oh...

    This discussion is probably kind of pointless, then.



    I didn't compare gravity to AWG. I asked you to clarify what you mean by "proveable science".

    I never said - and I don't believe any reputable scientist has ever claimed - that anthropogenic C02 is the only factor driving global warming. Or even that we understand all the factors involved. Straw man, much?

    Not knowing everything, is not the same as no knowing anything. You guys want to pretend that there's no warming taking place, that we don't have a clue about what might be causing it, that there's no basis for the AGW hypothesis. That just ain't so. Some things have been ruled out; some things seem to have only a minor effect, some things seem to have a major driving effect.
  7. Cass

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    I would like to see temp charts that go back more than 150 years...like maybe a few thousand years at least...

    those might tell us something...150 years or so of temp records is meaningless...
  8. frenchie

    frenchie Jack of all trades

    Uh, okay:

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  9. Ian Gills

    Ian Gills Senior Robin Hood Guy

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    Right, let's break this down for Cass because he clearly has trouble understanding the problem.

    How can we be sure the world is really warming?

    Even Conservative "victims" can't fake spring coming earlier, or trees growing higher up the sides of mountains or glaciers retreating or Arctic ice disappearing or Alaskan permafrost melting or the tropics expanding or ice shelves breaking up or sea levels rising faster and faster. There are thousands of similar examples around the world. None of these observations by themselves proves the world is warming. But put all the data together and you have overwhelming evidence of a long-term warming trend - even without the temperature records kindly compiled by Master Plumber Mark.

    How do we know greenhouse gases are the main cause?

    Conservative "victims" are not clear, but the physics is. Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, greenhouse gases warm the atmosphere, and CO2 is accumulating in the atmosphere. Other Conservative explanations have been ruled out, using a combination of modeling studies and observation. Direct measuresments since the 1970s prove the recent warming is not due to changes in solar activity, for instance.
  10. Cass

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    OK Frenchie...where did the record you posted come from...and how did who ever created it arrive at the conclusion...
  11. frenchie

    frenchie Jack of all trades

    Vladivostok ice cores data.

    Same source the doubters use, to point out that CO2 changes lag temperature changes by an average of about 800 years.
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    Kitten boom litters sheltersMild weather in early winter meant more cats outdoors, more frisky antics, and a population explosion in the GTACarola Vyhnak
    Staff reporter Published On Fri Mar 9 2007EmailPrintRepublishReport an errorShare Share ArticleAds by Google


    It's raining cats and climate change is to blame.

    Milder weather in cold seasons means cats are outdoors more, doing what comes naturally, say animal workers on the frontlines. The result is a population explosion that's stretching GTA pounds and shelters beyond their limits.

    "We've been racking our brains to figure out why we're seeing more cats in January and February," says Lee Oliver, spokesperson for the Toronto Humane Society. "Now we realize the spike in kittens and strays is because of the weather."

    They can't keep up with the influx.

    "Every time we adopt out two cats, we get three strays in. It's like we get a cat and a half back for each adoption."

    It's a trend that's developed over the past two or three years, said Kathy Duncan, manager of animal services for Oshawa.

    "When I came here 17 years ago, there was a clear breeding pattern of litters in spring and late summer/early fall. But now kittens are arriving much earlier. We're seeing newborns in January."

    "We're full and we're constantly full," Duncan said of Oshawa's Farewell St. pound, which is designed for 60 cats but has housed up to 120.

    Cat owners let their pets outside when it's mild and keep them indoors when it's cold. So the moderate temperatures of recent fall and early winter seasons translates into more opportunities to breed and wander off. (A similar trend hasn't occurred with dogs because their owners usually keep them under control.)

    Female cats come into heat every few weeks until they mate and can become pregnant again even if they're nursing kittens. With a gestation period of about two months, a cat could potentially have as many as three litters a year.

    Feral cats that live outside on their own are also adding to the numbers, Oliver said. Their lifespan is usually three to four years but when the weather is less harsh, they live longer and breed more, he said.

    The Humane Society of Durham Region is also seeing evidence of cats multiplying faster.

    "We had cats still giving birth at Christmas. People were letting them go out because it was mild," said manager Ruby Richards.

    The society, which only takes in strays that are in distress or at risk, had 160 cats – triple the capacity – at its Oshawa headquarters in January. Overcrowding led to the deaths of 20 cats from viruses that got out of control, Richards said.

    Being constantly full not only puts a huge strain on staff and resources, it means there's no downtime to adopt out animals in preparation for the spring baby boom.

    The Toronto Humane Society, which can house 400 cats at its River St. shelter, held a special adoption campaign before Christmas in a desperate bid to get the numbers down. It was a wild success but now they're back up to 425 cats – "really high for us," said Oliver.

    They're holding a pet giveaway over March break to ease the crunch again.

    Animal workers point out that irresponsible pet owners are also to blame for the kitten boom.

    "People are taking in cats they can't afford," said Richards. "And unbelievably, we still see people who say, `I want my kids to witness birth,' so they let their cat have a litter."

    Males should be neutered, females should be spayed and unaltered cats should be kept indoors, she said.

    Don't get a cat if you can't afford the vet bills, Richards advises, quoting rates of $200 to $300 for spaying and about $50 less for neutering. On top of that, three sets of shots at $65 to $85 per set are required.

    Pets should also wear identification and be microchipped, animal workers say.

    The results of irresponsible pet ownership are not pretty, Richards points out.

    "We've just had two cats come in with frostbite that are about to lose their ears. One of them, Gabrielle, didn't know how to fend for herself and she nearly froze and starved to death."

    Other casualties include cats that are hit by cars or attacked by dogs, she said.

    Duncan deplores the "disposable" attitude toward cats. Less than 3 per cent that end up in Oshawa's pound are claimed, she said.

    The growing population means more animals have to be euthanized because there aren't enough adoptive homes to go around. "And when there's a choice of 8-week-old kittens versus adult cats, most people want the kittens."
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    Global warming link to kidney stones
    ANI 15 May 2008, 06:58pm ISTText Size:|
    WASHINGTON: Global warming may lead to an increase in kidney stones disease, says a new study.





    Dehydration has been linked to stone disease, mainly in warmer climates, and global warming will worsen this effect, according to the researchers.

    As a result, the prevalence of stone disease may increase, along with the costs of treating the condition.

    Using published data to determine the temperature-dependence of stone disease, researchers applied predictions of temperature increase to determine the impact of global warming on the incidence and cost of stone disease in the United States.

    The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change indicates a 1-20 C increase in temperature by 2050 for much of the United States. These findings place a greater significance on the harmful effects of global warming, an ongoing economic and political issue.

    The southern United States is considered "the stone belt" because these states have higher incidences of kidney stones. Rising global temperatures could expand this region; the fraction of the US population living in high-risk stone zones is predicted to grow from 40 per cent in 2000 to 50 per cent by 2050.

    This could lead to an increase of one to two million lifetime cases of stone disease. The impact of climate-related changes in stone disease will be non-uniformly distributed and likely concentrated in the southern half of the country (linear model) or upper Midwest (non-linear model).

    The cost associated with treating stone disease could climb as high as one 1 billion dollars annually by 2050, representing a 10-20 per cent increase over present-day estimates.
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  16. I love this time of the year because all the rich foods make ya look forward to what your farts are going to smell like!

    I created a lot of global warming in the past 48 hours, more to come...
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    Chilii dogs too? ;)
  18. Cass

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    Beautiful......

    Ian will now have something to complain about...that he doesn't understand....

  19. Cass

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    Like I said Frenchie...I never said it wasn't getting warm I just don't believe it is from human generated CO2...there is no way to eliminate the things in the past that have caused warming periods in the past before humans started adding to what was already there / happening...



    I need to know from you if Scientists around the world know all and everything about what, how, and why the earths air, land, and sea temps to go up and down and how they affect each other over thousands of years...
  20. Ian Gills

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    Is that really what it will take to tax you guys? My God, you really don't like paying taxes do you.

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