Building a New House - Supply Store Pushes Kohler

Discussion in 'Toilet Forum discussions' started by birdman, Aug 7, 2009.

  1. birdman

    birdman New Member

    Just discovered this forum and spent a bunch of time reading older posts. We are in the process of building a new home and spent a few hours yesterday at our local plumbing supply store.
    We were planning on getting Toto toilets but this particular supplier only carries Kohler. He was recommending the Kohler Santa Rosa (sp?) and the Kohler Cimarron (sp?) as their top 2 toilets and basically said they should be just as good as the Toto.
    I found a thread on this forum from 2004 where the Cimarron recv'd some pretty negative reviews, both on its own, and as compared to the Toto models. Have the Kohler toilets improved since 2004?
    Here's the question, are the Kohler toilets any good (they are not cheap, at least here in Toronto) or should we just go to a different supplier and get a Toto, and if so, which Toto model? We like the one piece models and are very concerned about "a good flush". (We have 4 kids who spend a lot of time in the bathroom!)
    TIA (Thanx in advance. - I have a lot of reading to do on this forum)
  2. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

    Cave Creek, Arizona

    I think people spend too much time agonizing over their toilet choice. I have used many different makes and models and as long as I do not opt for the cheapest ones, I have never had any customers complain about the performance. I have had Eljer one piece ones in my house for 10 years and they have worked perfectly.
  3. Terry

    Terry Administrator Staff Member

    Bothell, Washington
    The Cimarron and the Santa Rosa will plug more often then the Toto line.
    I know that from experience.
    It has to do mainly with the poor trapway design.

    But like hj says, any toilet will work It does for him.

    However for the rest of us, I do wind up removing Cimarrons and Santa Rosa's and replacing them.

    For people with kids, they seem to notice.
    hj, do you have any grand kids coming over?

    Kohler K-3323-0 toilet in white, side view


    Bad trapway design on the Cimarron.
  4. birdman

    birdman New Member

    Very helpful, thanx for the comments. I have spent the past couple of hours reading about toilets, checking web sites etc. In our last house we had 2 Eljer elongated toilets (don't recall which ones) and they looked nice but would often require multiple flushes. We also had a number of Toto (again, don't recall which model) but never had a problem with them.
    Now that we are building a new house, it seems as if we should go for Toto and not mess around.
    Does anyone on the board have suggestions for a good place in Toronto, Canada to purchase Toto toilets? I know 'Taps' has them, but I find they tend to be a little on the pricey side. We have a lot of bathrooms, so we will need a lot of toilets.
    Any suggestions would be welcomed.
  5. Terry

    Terry Administrator Staff Member

    Bothell, Washington
    Funny you should ask, I just sold a Beige Toto Drake to a previous customer in BC Canada.
    He will be coming down next week to pick it up.
  6. Peanut9199

    Peanut9199 Customer Service Manager Plumbing Wholesale

    Ontario, Canada
    Depending on where exactly in Toronto you are there is:
    Dupont Plumbing
    Tubs the Ultimate Bath store
    Roman Bath
    Marcon Bath

    Off the top of my head these are good retail stores that carry Toto.
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