Switched outlet

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  1. sixtz4me

    sixtz4me New Member

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    Hey guys, I want to switch an outlet, but want the top and bottom both to be switched. Do I just leave the bar between the screws , or is there another way? Thanks, Bill
  2. jwelectric

    jwelectric Electrical Contractor/Instructor

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    just leave the bar between the screws
  3. sixtz4me

    sixtz4me New Member

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    thanks for the reply jw.
  4. Drewski123

    Drewski123 New Member

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    What's the proper way to wire 2 outlets where their bottoms are switched? I have 12-2 power in to the first outlet. Here I am debating which wire to use, 12-2 or 12-3 becuase the next box is a switch. After the switch, next is the second outlet. The second outlet is the end of the circuit. Is it possible to ommit the 12-3 wire and go with 12-2 from the switch to the second outlet?
    Thanks for your help.
  5. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    If you have 12/2 to the first outlet, then its "bottom outlet" is NOT switched. You only need 12/2 to the switch, but IF you want to ONLY switch the bottom half of the second outlet, you WILL need a 12/3 wire, but this is the kind of installation which is so "elementary" that if you even had to ask the question, it might NOT be a good DIY project for you.
  6. Drewski123

    Drewski123 New Member

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    hj, could you check the image and let me know if there is anything wrong with it? The plan is to have the bottom half of the two receptacales switched.

    Thank you.
    Drew

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  7. bluebinky

    bluebinky Member

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    Another thing to consider is box fill. It is based on the size and number of wires entering the box plus the volume taken by the device. Many single-gang boxes are too small to do a a switched+hot setup like this.
  8. cacher_chick

    cacher_chick Test, Don't Guess!

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    The wiring will work.

    To add to what bluebinky said, make sure the receptacles you install are 15A if you are using 14 ga. wire. The receptacles in your picture are 20A, which would be incorrect.
  9. Drewski123

    Drewski123 New Member

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    Thank you all. I forgot to mention, I could not find a better picture/diagram, so I found one with 14-2, 14-3 wiring. But in my case, I will be using 12-2 & 12-3. In terms of box fill, the first and the third box (outlet boxes) allow to have 8 conductors in each. The switch will be located in a 3 gang box with some other 2 switches (14-2 wiring) and the two other switches will be on its own supply.
  10. bluebinky

    bluebinky Member

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    OK, assuming #12 with no internal clamps:
    2 - white
    2 - black
    1 - red
    1 - ground
    2 - switch
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    8 conductors X 2.25 ==> 18 cubic in box minimum

    For me, thats just too crowded -- I'd go with a 4-square box + mud ring (not that I'd be able to make a living the way I do things...).

    Also, make sure you do not tie the neutrals from both circuits together...
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2013
  11. Drewski123

    Drewski123 New Member

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    Thanks Bluebinky. The two single gang boxes that I am using are 20 cubic, so slightly more than going with 18 cubic boxes. I may go with a 4-square box + mud ring for at least the first box. In terms of the neutrals, do you mean not to tie the neutrals from the two outlets in the 3 gang box (center box) with the other two switches that will be running on a different circuit? If that's what you are saying, my ansear is, the neutrals will not be tied together.
    Thanks.
  12. bluebinky

    bluebinky Member

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    Sounds like you got it. In general, different circuits should not share neutrals.
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