Raimondi Tile Leveling System

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  1. Natup

    Natup New Member

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    Hi all - first time poster; long time reader. I'm gearing up for a complete DIY bathroom reno. I was thinking about purchasing the Raimondi Tile Leveling System as I have large format tiles. To anyone who has used this system: Can I get away with just purchasing the wall plier for both walls and floor (the floor space is relatively small).

    Thanks,
    Hal
    Toronto, ON
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    A leveling system won't correct an improperly prepped floor, but will help keep the tile in nice alignment. Regardless, it is critical on any tile install to have full coverage on all edges and at least 80% (100% should be your goal) of the interior of the tile. Tiling 101, periodically, after setting, pull up a tile (or membrane, or whatever) and check your coverage. You may need to adjust your thinset, trowel, or technique.
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    FWIW, the instructions on most (if not all) of the leveling systems tell you to not put the clips right at the corner, otherwise, you could snap it off. If you install the clips and thinset the job properly, the edges are fully supported. Your goal should be to get the entire tile fully supported, but they allow some leeway on the interior. Depending on the tile, the substrate, and the thinset used, you may want to wait longer than overnight to knock the tabs off. This is especially true if you're using a membrane and a modified thinset, which could take a very long time for the modifiers to dry. The larger the tile, the longer the wait (when using a modified).
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    And, you'll note I said the same thing...100% of the edges, and 80% minimum of the interior (with 100% being the goal).

    It's just John throwing darts again.
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    Jim - thanks kindly for the link - unfortunately I didn't find reference to the tool specification (wall or floor) issue. I am gutting the bathroom down to joists and studs to create a perfectly flat floor (and walls).

    John (btw - I love your work on HouseBuzz)- large format tiles? - perhaps not the best idea for the diyer - but I am determined (and perhaps overly confident; and certainly too poor to afford a high-end (and frankly hard to find) tiler here in Toronto). Regardless, I can live with my own imperfections - Just saying :rolleyes:

    My understanding was that the system might help reduce lipage - especially on the long format parcelanosa wall tile (below).

    btw - I was under the impression that some of the images that you have posted elsewhere contained leveling clips?? I suppose you believe that with the RLS the tiles might crack and dislodge?


    p-casona_casta--ape-o.jpg

    Thanks,
    Hal
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    One installer that has done this a lot claims he uses the TLS and can remove the (slight) bow on long tiles like that. It will always make the adjacent tile edges level with each other, but if the tile isn't flat, that may not mean no lippage. I'm a little skeptical, but he says he does it all of the time. This system (http://www.flooringsupplyshop.com/raimondi-tile-leveling-system-rls-standard-kit-100-1551.html is similar to the LASH system, but comes with a tool...on LASH, you just use your fingers to slide the wedge tight. The TLS's tool is more like an adjustable zip tie gun. You can use it to break the tab after the thinset cures as well by adjusting it tighter to snap it off.
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    OK, thanks guys. Lots to consider. I now have the floor removed - sistering joists to create level. Unfortunately, its the only bath/shower in the house - seems like a long way off to tiling (and showering). John, I may pick you brain a bit to consider lighting. Will head to your site when I get a chance..
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    Grout Discolouration with Lashing Clips: Raimondi, Lash, Tuscan etc...

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    The report discusses leaving spacers in place as a possible source of discoloration. The leveling systems clips are designed to break off at the base, essentially the bottom of the tile. Good prep prior to grouting should remove any bits, if there were any, and make this a non-issue. The only situation where it is more likely to happen would be with maybe a glass tile, or a VERY thin one, and those aren't good candidates for those leveling systems for the most part, partly because they tend to be small, and partly because they may be transparent or translucent, so ANYTHING under them would show, especially poor technique with the mortar, and almost certainly what was left of any leveling clip.

    Some grout color unevenness goes away after things fully cure, too, but could be an issue for the first day or two. Similar to some porous stones becoming discolored by the moisture from the thinset...depending on the situation, it can take a couple of weeks for it to return to 'normal'.
  18. DougB

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    I doubt that you have ever used these, just more noise. Read this:

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  19. jadnashua

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    FWIW, when that report was written, few, if any, of these self-leveling systems were around. They were talking about leaving a tile spacer in there, and saying it could cause variations on grout color...well, duh, the grout would be almost non-existent if it was not removed.

    I've read lots of user comments on the things. One guy said his wall tile came off the next day, but then he admitted when they did, he didn't use the minimum trowel notch, didn't back butter the large tiles, and only had 10-20% coverage...well, again, duh...RTFM! Most of the other people complaining weren't using the proper trowel, either, or backbuttering the tile, or picking one up occasionally to verify they had good coverage. As with anything, there's a right way, and a wrong way to use it...it's unreasonable to expect great results when it is used incorrectly.

    For a DIY'er, with large tile, even if you do need to spend a bit more time cleaning up the grout lines after setting, you'll end up with a better result, faster. A pro, maybe, depends. Few DIY'ers set lots of tile, and these aids, used properly, do help. Enough so, that some pros use them all of the time on big tile, too. On big jobs, it's not uncommon to have a lower paid helper, so leaving the cleanup to him, if the pro can set faster, still ends up saving money because of the speed he can set the tile.
  20. chefwong

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    JW : But you use the same system in this pic :eek:
    http://www.houzz.com/photos/1110186/Best-work-practices-for-a-bathroom-renovation-bathroom-vancouver

    I don't have a horse in this race, but I do own and have used the TLS system once on a remodel. Doe's it make me a better setter. No.
    Half of tile setting is not only the application itself, but layout and grout color is KEY. It does however maintain a level tile plane as long as the ~setter~ at the end of the day is ensuring proper tile coverage....it's only as good as the *tool* who is using/setting in . Then again, isn't that the universal rule in life. You get what you put into it...
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