Have no idea what I have and how it works, just know pressure is very low.

Discussion in 'Pumps and Tanks Well Forum & Blog' started by Tony4x4, Mar 31, 2013.

  1. Tony4x4

    Tony4x4 New Member

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    Location:
    Marshall, TX
    Hi there,

    We purchased a house in November that came with a well. All we knew was that the well does work and at some point was connected to the house before they switched to municipal water.

    The water pressure is very low, with one water sprayer on it performs as if there is a kink in the hose pipe.

    Here is what I can answer and hopefully the photos will answer the rest.

    Type of pump?
    Submersible - Yes
    Two wire (no control) - unsure
    Three wire (control box) - unsure
    Wire Size - unsure Wire Length - unsure
    or
    Jet Pump (above ground) - No
    One or two pipes down the well - unsure
    Size of Pump?
    Motor Horsepower? - unsure
    Pump Model # - unsure
    Date Pump Installed - unsure

    Pumping from?
    Cistern tank___________
    Pond, lake, river________
    Water Well - Yes
    Depth of well - unsure
    Depth to water - unsure
    Pump Setting - unsure
    Pipe Size_________?"
    Drop Pipe Material
    PVC________
    Steel_______
    Poly________

    Well Recovery Rate_______gpm
    Well Casing Diameter_______â€
    Rock Well__________ Sand Well__________ Other______________
    Date Well Drilled____________

    Well Casing Material
    PVC________ Steel_________ Other_________


    Pressure Tank?
    Bladder or diaphragm tank (one pipe to tank) - unsure
    Size or model of tank - 120 Gallon - 75psi
    Air charge in top of tank, with pump off and water drained Have not seen valve PSI
    (check with car tire gauge)
    or
    Plain Hydro Pneumatic tank (two pipes to tank, one in and one out) ProSource AW120
    Size of tank 120

    Pressure Switch Setting?
    On 30, off 50 Yes
    On 40, off 60_________
    Other_______________

    Pump Control Method? - Unsure
    Cycle Stop Valve model #_________
    Variable speed control #__________
    Pump Start Relay (sprinkler timer, no tank)__________
    Manually turned on and off____________

    Pump Protection - Unsure
    Cycle Sensor_________
    Pumptec_____________
    Low pressure cutoff switch (lever on side)__________
    Other_______________

    Filters or Softeners - Yes
    Before or after pressure tank - After
    Type of filter - Unsure
    Bypass available - Don't think so

    Water Used For?
    House Use_______ Number of baths_______ Number of People________
    High Flow Showers_______gpm?
    Plus/Or
    Irrigation with timers - Working towards - currently just 1 garden faucet
    Irrigation with hoses________
    Heat Pump______gpm?


    Problems Experienced
    No Water_________________
    Water only part time________
    Water at all times but weak - Yes
    Air in water - Sometimes
    Pressure surging___________
    Water Hammer (noise)______
    Too Much pressure_________
    Other____________________


    Pump makes clicking or buzzing sounds________
    No Sounds______________
    Pressure gauge reading - 50psi when not in use
    Other____________________________________

    Do you have, and know how to use
    an Ampmeter and Voltmeter - No

    Describe Problem - Very weak pressure. Would like to irrigate 2 acre ground via multiple zones.



    IMG_1129.jpg
    This is the "well head"
    IMG_1131.jpg
    Not sure what this is but has temperatures on it.
    IMG_1135.jpg
    This is the pressure gauge on the tank reading 50psi
    IMG_1136.jpg
    This is the "head" of the water treatment tank, I think softener.
    IMG_1139.jpg
    This is the make of the pressure tank.

    Could not load up the other photos but show the back end of the pressure tank with the out flow going up in to the "water treatment" tank and then back out again down in to the ground towards the house.

    There is a tire pressure valve immediately before the pressure switch.

    Hope this is enough information.

    Thanks

    Tony
  2. LLigetfa

    LLigetfa DIYer, not in the trades

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    Rather than copy/paste that long form that is mostly not filled out, you would have been better off to simply provide the two or three points. As it is, it is TL;DR.
    It is not temperature, it is degrees of close. Essentially, it is a micronizer that severely constricts the flow. It's purpose is to aerate the water, probably to mitigate sulfer smell or iron.
  3. cacher_chick

    cacher_chick Test, Don't Guess!

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    The numbers on the valve are not temperature, they are showing how many degrees (angle) the valve is open.

    The tank is not a bladder tank, but we do not know if the air volume control is working so the tank could be waterlogged. I would shut off the pump and drain the tank, and then see if it is any better after restarting everything. In the long run the functionality of the air system is going to need to be verified.
  4. LLigetfa

    LLigetfa DIYer, not in the trades

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    Location:
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    What is your intention? Do you plan to disconnect from municipal water or are you just wanting to use this for irrigation?

    My guess is that what you call the "water treatment" tank is in fact an iron filter and as such most likely all clogged up with precipitated iron.

    Depending on how bad the iron is and if your sprinklers don't spray onto areas that would get iron stained, you may be better off to simply bypass it. You could manually precharge the precipitation tank with an air compressor if it gets waterlogged. Adjust the sprinkler zones so that the pump never shuts off and it won't much matter.
  5. Tony4x4

    Tony4x4 New Member

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    Location:
    Marshall, TX
    Thanks for your comments "LLigetfa", I was just following the instructions, which stated copy 'n paste the form even if you don't know the answers.
    The well is already disconnected from the house. My intention is to use it just for irrigation using a multi zone system. Currently there is just one faucet attached to the well but the pressure is very low and probably only waters a 100 sq ft area using an oscillating sprinkler.

    Thanks cacher_chick for your advise. After draining the tank would I need to put air back into it?
  6. craigpump

    craigpump Member

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    If there is a bleeder in the drop pipe and the air volume control doesn't function properly you will end up with an air bound tank. By the looks of the one in your pic, I would spend a few bucks and replace it.
  7. cacher_chick

    cacher_chick Test, Don't Guess!

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    Location:
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    There will be air in the tank after you drain the water out. For now, I would just do that to see if you get much improvement in your system pressure. If the pressure is ok then, you will have to get the air system working properly.

    No sense spending a bunch of money when you might find out that the well is not going to produce adequate water for your needs.
  8. LLigetfa

    LLigetfa DIYer, not in the trades

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    Location:
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    I wouldn't waste too much time worrying about that pressure tank. For a sprinkler only system you can get by without one if you plan your zones so the pump never shuts off.

    Get rid of the micronizer and the iron filer. Those two are killing your flow. If the well can produce as much as the sprinklers need you'll be all set. Just make sure the sprinklers don't hit light coloured siding cuz of the rust stains.
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