Upstairs Kitchen sink draining into basement kitchen sink

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  1. DIYRENO

    DIYRENO New Member

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    Hello,

    We are renovating our basement. There currently is a sink in the basement below the upstairs kitchen sink. When you drain the sink from the kitchen upstairs it drains into the sink below before draining. It has an AAV approx 4 inches from the P-Trap. If I removed the AAV and vent the basment sink directly would this solve my problem.
    sink new vent.jpg sink.jpg


    Any help is appreciated
  2. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    ddrain

    If the top drawing is what you intend to do, forget it. That "vent" would do nothing to solve the problem. The AAV cannot prevent positive pressure problems but that is not what you have. You have a plugged drain and until it is cleaned the problem will continue, with or without the AAV. one side note, a vent that turns sideways is not a "branch vent" it is a "horizontal section of a vent stack".
  3. DIYRENO

    DIYRENO New Member

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    Thanks for the information. Yes the top was what I planned to do and the bottom is what is existing. We did snake the drain when we first moved into the house but did not have it done professionally so I guess that is the next step.

    Appreciate this site..
  4. jadnashua

    jadnashua Retired Defense Industry Engineer xxx

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    Two things: the AAV should be higher, and once a line becomes a drain, it can't be a vent. To properly vent the lower sink, you'd want to run a new vent up above the upper sink by at least 6" or 42" from the floor, whichever is higher. If the drain line isn't plugged or restricted, if the aav was a bit higher, that may pass code. You want the aav as high as possible if in a cabinet and still be able to remove it, or if possible, above the flood rim of the sink.
  5. Tom Sawyer

    Tom Sawyer In the Trades

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    Well the top picture is just plain bad plumbing practice and adding the AAV may solve the problem but even with the bad plumbing practice the reason the sink is draining into the lav is because the drain below is plugged or partially plugged.
  6. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    AAV manufacturers show the valve 6" above the drain line. Once the "vent becomes a drain", any "vent" is useless until the water drains out anyway.
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