Toto mounted into SS TKO ring and Fluidmaster Waxfree gasket

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  1. alternety

    alternety Like an engineer

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    I have 3 Totos to install and two installed with questionable results. The installed ones work fine. Have been that way of about 4 years (using shims) without apparent problems.

    My specs to plumber was mount using the Fluidmaster wax-less gaskets. This was to avoid wax gaskets in a heated floor. Two are installed, but now that I look at them, the bases are not real close to the floor (1/2" - 3/4"). I am trying to put in two more. All floors are concrete and heated as part of the radiant heating system. Instructions to to tubing installer to stay away from toilets was essentially ignored, so floor temp is likely to be close to water temp. Circulating water could be in the 160 degree range; potentially higher, but probably not likely.

    All the toilet flanges are Sioux Chief TKO. The Fluidmaster gaskets are 7500 series. The problem seems to be in the upper area if the gasket.They are built in a stepped fashion, and the first step keeps the gasket from becoming flush with the floor. This leaves the gap which I also see in the already installed units. I don't think that is a real good idea, although creative use of shims followed by caulk would appear to fix it.

    Question, what sort of effect will a hot floor have on the performance/durability of wax rings. Are they a safe alternative in this environment? Or should I go with ships of up to 3/4" and caulk to support the bowel base. If this alternative is worse than wax rings I will do it; else, wax rings for everyone.
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  2. jadnashua

    jadnashua Retired Defense Industry Engineer xxx

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    There's one company that came out with a synthetic waxless ring made of some sort of rubber/foam that mounts like a normal wax ring (but is reusable). Don't remember the name, but it's here in the forum if you search on waxless. It might be an alternative. The wax melts at a moderately high temp, certainly higher than would be comfortable to walk on any radiantly heated floor, so I don't think that's a big deal. Now, waxless has some usefulness, it's cleaner, and easier to lift and reset the toilet if, say, you want to paint, or update the wallpaper.
  3. JerryR

    JerryR Member

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    That would be:

    http://sanisealgasket.com/

    I've used them on 3 installations and so far I am very happy with them.

    Jerry

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  4. JerryR

    JerryR Member

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    I just posted this on another thread today. It is also relative to this thread.

    Disclaimer: To be clear… I have no affiliation with SaniSeal or any other plumbing connections.


    I have installed 3 SaniSeal Gaskets as of yesterday and a 4th today.

    My wife was complaining about an intermittent sewer smell in the mater bath of the vacation home. (I did not smell it) My Sewer sniffing Jack Russell Terrier alerted to the source. Today I pulled the toilet and installed a new SaniSeal to replace the wax ring.

    I intend to replace the vacation home tioilets with a couple of Totos in the near future being I installed 2 Toto Drakes (using SaniSeal Gaskets) in the primary home bath remodel recently and my wife loves them. Now have to replace the vacation home toilets with a Totos. Unfortunately they both have Banjo counters over them so the Universal height Drakes will not fit.

    The toilet that I worked on today was rocking a little and I suspect that the wax seal did not completely remain sealed, as alerted by the Jack Russell.

    With the Banjo tops it was a little tricky to line up the toilet, being I had to move it around before it would line up exactly. With the SaniSeal holding the bolts upright, yet letting them move around a little, it was a snap.

    See pictures taken today. .

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  5. alternety

    alternety Like an engineer

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    I used a Fernco waxless gasket. It worked. Toilet is now on the floor. The problem appears to be a geometry problem between the Fluidmaster fitting and the top 1/2" or so of the closet flange. The Fernco is not nearly as deep in that area.
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  6. Gary Swart

    Gary Swart In the Trades

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    Jerry, I think I can tell you what is causing the seals to leak. It appears the tile floor was installed when the room was remodeled. The flanges are at their original height and recessed for the flange. Flanges are supposed to be set ON TOP OF THE FINISHED FLOOR. Your are trying to make up that difference with your gaskets, and it's just too much.
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