tile shower stall leaking - seems to be grout help!

Discussion in 'Shower & bathtub Forum & Blog' started by mistascout, Mar 11, 2012.

  1. mistascout

    mistascout New Member

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    Akron, Ohio
    We have a tile shower stall with a fairly new pan (2-3 years, maybe). It leaks after some showers. We have access to the plumbing behind, and we've opened up areas below and at floor level behind and in hallway beside (where we see moisture after showers if it happens - doesn't take long, right after shower). (Also house is 1914, but shower is about 25 years old). Tile appears to be solid. Tile man who did some caulking for us knocked on it, etc. Said it was good - concreteboard backing looks OK where we can can see it (so not the obvious problems I've seen in other posts).

    I tested as follows:
    - ran hose directly from shower pipe to drain - 1/2 hour or so - nothing
    - plugged drain and flooded pan 20 min-1/2 hour - nothing.
    - hung plastic over right 2/3 (including plumbing fixtures below showerhead) - took a week + of showers by 2 of us - nothing
    - shifted the plastic to cover only the right side, uncover plumbing fixtures - nothing after first shower, but some after my wife's shower. drain backing up both times to 1-2 inches depth (about what I flooded the pan).

    Handyman says it may be failed grout after 25 years. Any other possibilities? What to do?

    Many thanks!
    Last edited: Mar 11, 2012
  2. Todd Stull

    Todd Stull Bathroom Specialist

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    Redoing a shower pan and leaving the rest can cause problems. Its always best to tear the whole thing down and start over. It could be anything though... Grout failure, bad seal around your faucet trim ring, preslope issues etc...
    When the pan was redone did you replace the whole pan or just the tile? The weep holes could be clogged forcing water to saturate the mortar bed and out a crack somewhere.
  3. Todd Stull

    Todd Stull Bathroom Specialist

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    ... at this point, I think your best test will be to plug the drain and fill it as high as you can, flood testing it for a FULL 24 hours and see what happens
  4. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    IF the pan was installed properly, it makes no difference whether the "weep holes" are clogged or not, the shower should still not leak until the water overflows the door's sill. Your "diagnosis" appears to pinpoint the leak around the plumbing fixture's trim ring. Splash water DIRECTLY onto the wall above the faucet and see what happens. This will accelerate a process that happens gradually during a shower. IT probably "leaks" during your shower, but does not appear until later when someone else is taking their shower.
  5. LLigetfa

    LLigetfa DIYer, not in the trades

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    +1 on leaking around the trim.

    It could also be that the water deflects off of your wife's mammalian protuberances onto the trim ring. Or maybe there is a hand shower and she uses it differently.
  6. jadnashua

    jadnashua Retired Defense Industry Engineer xxx

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    FWIW, a properly built shower is waterproof without the tile on it, so no, bad grout won't or at least should not, cause a leak.
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