I'm working without a permit again

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  1. Ian Gills

    Ian Gills Senior Robin Hood Guy

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    I'm working without a permit again: insulating water pipes

    I'm insulating my water pipes in my unfinished basement with the rubber stuff that has an adhesive on it to stick the two sides together.

    Is this worth doing and am I using the right stuff? The pipes before were uninsulated, but the basement does not get that cold since the furnace is down there.

    I am also thinking of removing the fiber glass wrapping that is insulating the main line where it enters my basement and using this stuff.

    Comments?
    Last edited: Oct 26, 2009
  2. FloridaOrange

    FloridaOrange Plumbing Designer

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    Now that you announced it on the interweb, the permit police will be knocking on your door shortly. ;)
  3. Ian Gills

    Ian Gills Senior Robin Hood Guy

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    I also work on existing windows and doors without permits. And I have been known to paint without one too.

    Last week I changed the air filter in my AC/furnace. Again, without a permit.

    Now, pipe insulation. Is it worth it?
  4. Scuba_Dave

    Scuba_Dave Extreme DIY Homeowner

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    When my new WH went in it came with a 2' section of pipe insulation
    The pipe was only warm about 4" up, but I put it on
    I checked the pipe again later & now found the pipe was warm about 2" beyond the 2' section of insulation
    I added another 4' of insulation & found the same thing
    So I insulated all of the HW pipes

    My basement is not that cold 55-63 depending if heat is on
    But the water is 120, so you are losing heat to the basement
    Water stays hotter longer for a nice shower
  5. Runs with bison

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    Insulating hot water lines is worth it. It reduces heat loss on the way to the destination and keeps the water warm longer between draws. Insulating the first few feet of cold water feed to the water heater is also worthwhile since it reduces the driving force for thermosiphon as well as conduction losses in the pipe.

    It's worth maybe 10 therms/year for my home.
  6. davesnothome

    davesnothome DIY Member

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    I,ll bet your probably out this weekend too without a permit....:D
  7. Ian Gills

    Ian Gills Senior Robin Hood Guy

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    Thanks for all the tips.

    And for cold lines other than the WH?
  8. Lakee911

    Lakee911 I&C Engineer (mostly WWTP)

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    Doing cold water pipes prevents dripping condensation.
  9. nhmaster

    nhmaster Master Plumber

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    Building and energy codes mandate insulation hot water lines anyway so forge ahead with confidence.
  10. send me the money

    the insulation is ok to do , it will keep the hot water lines from cooling off quicker..
    wether it acutally will save all that much is debateable...


    on another subject..
    Were you aware that their is a permit fee
    required to change out light bulbs???

    were you aware that changeing a roll of toilet paper also requires a permit fee too??

    this is all part of the stimilus package by
    Obama to drum up more revenue..
    have you been sending in these fees???


    You being an illegal alien from another country ,
    I am willing to let you off easy,
    this time only....

    send me 50 bucks and we wont
    mention this to anyone....
  11. Rich B

    Rich B DIY Senior Member

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    My friend visited me today and told me he just had his pellet stove installation inspected by 2 inspectors. One fire inspector and the building inspector. Neither knew the proper details for an installation like this and just asked if he had the proper clearances for the stove. The fire inspector did not know if there should have been an approved fireproof base or the dimensions if it needed one. The building inspector knew even less and his only questions were.......how much did it cost and do you have the proper clearances for it.......This is not a town in the boondocks......
  12. Ian Gills

    Ian Gills Senior Robin Hood Guy

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    Thanks Mark. In that case I won't steal your job...this time only.
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