Hellenbrad iron curtain media rebed

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  1. Dripper

    Dripper New Member

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    I picked up a 20yo Iron Curtain System IC-10 and pulled it apart and cleaned it out. I wanted to know a few things:

    How long does the IC media bed last? I can't get a price on the Internet or source. I flushed/ back flushed manually it a few times with IronOut. Anyone ever rebed these?

    I can't get plated fitting out of top of poly media tank no matter what. I attached it to my basketball post w/ rachet straps and rubber, but tank still spins. I'd like to empty it and clean the basket filter well.

    thanks!
  2. Akpsdvan

    Akpsdvan In the Trades

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    Photo?
    There are different medias used for iron removal.
    Filter AG or Pumice can go up to 20 years depending on iron level and how often it was back washed, along with flow rate from the well... was the pump doing the gpm needed for lifting the media bed.

    I am trying to get the mind around why you have not been able to get the valve off the top of the tank.... some times I have used what some call the Big Ass Channel Locks to get the valve moving, with the help of a rubber mallet to hit the channel locks.
  3. Mikey

    Mikey Aspiring Old Fart, EE, computer & networking geek

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    Some tank fittings are a two-part deal in which one clamping part has to be loosened to allow the valve to unscrew from the tank, but yours looks like it should just unscrew. If you can remove the valve body from the adapter base, then you might be able to bolt a long lever to the adapter base and get a little more leverage to unscrew it from the tank. If it's been on there for 20 years, and (probably) was installed with no lubricant, it won't be easy. The toughest part is probably going to to be to hold the tank.
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  4. Dripper

    Dripper New Member

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    Here are a few pics-

    I used giant channel-locks, but tank spins. I laid it on ground and had a few of us straddling, but still spins. I'll try rubber hammer- more like impact gun to break it free. I guess these tanks are pretty tough.

    Thanks again for your help.
    top.jpg

    Here is my worn media.
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  5. Mikey

    Mikey Aspiring Old Fart, EE, computer & networking geek

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    Get a can of SiliKroil or PB Blaster and squirt it around the joint between the tank adapter and the tank. Have a beer. Get a 28" piece of 1/4" x 2" steel, drill two holes (centered) in it for the two bolts in the tank adapter, and bolt the steel to the adapter. Have another beer. Then use the impact gun on the steel, alternating which end of the steel you hit, a few raps at a time. When it finally breaks free, have another beer.
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  6. ditttohead

    ditttohead Water systems designer, R&D

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    That is the old Fleck valve adapter. Sometimes these would jam on the tank threads. We had a metal plate with two hole that we would bolt to the tank adpater. A couple of whacks with a rubber mallet would pop it off every time. The metal plate would extend about 12" past each bolt.

    Do not do it without tighteing the bolts, the brass adapter will bend when you hit it.
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  7. Dripper

    Dripper New Member

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    Thanks for all the tips- will try as soon as I buy more beer...I had no idea this was a 3-beer job:)

    "Honey, why does the water taste like PB Blaster?"

    "Dunno, dear"



    Dealer said media shouldn't need replacing. I told him it was 20 years old and looked broken-up. He said to buy a new $1700 system. I said homina homina homina.

    he said $200 for media. What is this stuff? platinum nuggets ?

    Anybody know what o-ring kit I'd get to build this old fleck valve? is there a model # for this old guy ? Is it worth saving - doesn't appear pitted. Should I move into the city for normal water ?

    thanks, experts.
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  8. Akpsdvan

    Akpsdvan In the Trades

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    The seals and spacers and piston for your system is the same as the Fleck 2510.
    The rebuild kit will work on 1500 , 2500, 2510 and yes the lower flow 2750.
    Yours is either the 2500 or the 2750, with out seeing the drain it would be hard to say which.

    Media costs are different and then there is the shipping and there is the price break for the dealers as to how much they are moving... and then there is Birm that is no longer for sale in the socialist state of California.
  9. ditttohead

    ditttohead Water systems designer, R&D

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    Birm, most carbon, and many other medias. Dont worry, this ridculous law will spread, it always does. just like ab1953 has spread to all 50 states starting in January of 2014...

    Post some pictures of the valve so we can determine which valve it is. Look inside the timer assembly near the micro-switches, there will be a manufacturing date on a white sticker inside the swing out timer.
  10. lifespeed

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    Carbon is being outlawed??
  11. Mikey

    Mikey Aspiring Old Fart, EE, computer & networking geek

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    Wouldn't surprise me. If the municipality goes to all that trouble to chlorinate the water, they wouldn't want somebody removing it. Also, as water conservation becomes a huge issue, they aren't going to like all that backwashing.
  12. Mikey

    Mikey Aspiring Old Fart, EE, computer & networking geek

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    The "necessary steps" usually involve carrots and sticks, although not in that order. At least in California, watch for the water treatment industry to eventually respond to restrictions on use of current treatment technology with better approaches, but don't hold your breath and start saving your pennies now.
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