bitter about contractor

Discussion in 'Remodel Forum & Blog' started by GregO, Aug 26, 2007.

  1. GregO

    GregO New Member

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    Anybody know any good contractors in Accokeek, MD (right on the Prince George's county/Charles county line)?

    A buddy of mine hired a "custom" remodeling firm (for premium $$$) to convert a half-bath to a full ADA bath and most everything they've done has been unprofessional, even the construction basics, although the electrical does seem to have been done properly.

    Right:
    1. electrical

    Wrongs:
    1. using no shower pan preslope
    2. using only one-coat of redgard without reinforcing mesh around the drain and change-of-planes; redgard only extends from a few inches to 2 feet up the walls (to be tiled at least 6 feet high).
    3. installing new walls that are visibly out of true at least 3/4" relative to the original wall.
    4. notching 2x10 floor joists in the middle third of the span to recess the shower pan, making the joists 2x8s (spanning 14.5 feet) without additional support.
    5. using sanitary Ts instead of Ys for horizontal DWV runs
    6. installing 1.5" drain instead of 2" drain for ADA shower
    7. no vapor barrier in the shower with drywall and paper tape/spackling on the entire shower wall surround.
    8. installing the walls on top of the existing hardwood flooring instead of cutting the flooring away to allow the walls to sit atop the plywood subfloor
    9. grouting the entire bathroom perimeter where the tiles meet the walls
    10. contractor told us he would be pulling permits; no permits.

    Part of me wants to rip it all out and redo it, but I don't have time. This has been frustrating. There's more, but that's enough venting for now. Argh!!! Thanks for listening.

    Greg
    Last edited: Aug 26, 2007
  2. jimbo

    jimbo Plumber

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  3. frenchie

    frenchie Jack of all trades

    Yup. Sue the b*stard.

    From the sounds of it, it absolutely does have to be ripped out & redone.

    He should be footing that bill.
  4. no permits....No payee the bill.

    I know by law in our state if you dont pull permits
    when doing a job of that size to have the work inspected.....

    you dont have to pay the bill


    he can drag you into small claims court and all you have
    to say is "show me the permits" that he never took out
    and the judge will rule in your favor...


    also your insurance company can worm out of paying
    for damages if the fellows work sets your home on fire
    some day......becasue no permits were pulled.....

    I would be pretty snotty about the 1.5 size drain
    that he installed in a shower mud floor????

    I dont think that they even make a shower pan drain in 1 1/2 so it is probably jacklegged in badly...

    Most likely he did not use the right type shower pan drain
    and the membrane is not attached properly under the concrete ...so most likely
    it will drip into the crawl space......


    and most likely you willhave to tear it all out..anyway ..


    If you still have most of the money call the local inspectors
    in your area and have them inspect his work...


    if you have not paid this jack leg.
    you hold all the cards.

    now how big is the fellow???




  5. Wrongs:
    1. serious.
    2. serious.
    3. serious.
    4. serious.
    5. serious.
    6. serious, except if if if and if...
    7. no comment.
    8. serious.
    9. no comment.
    10. serious.


    Greg, you say there is more. Find a way to insert the hack guy's company name into the next post, somehow, so it eventually can get quoted by us all and then get picked up by search engines. Would that work?

    David
  6. cwhyu2

    cwhyu2 Consultant

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    this contracter is WRONG!!!!!:mad:
  7. toolaholic

    toolaholic General Contractor Carpenter

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    Make sure Your friend hires a lawyer that deals in const. issues! document it all.

    Where did He find these people?
  8. FloridaOrange

    FloridaOrange Plumbing Designer

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    You also might want a respected contractor who could stand up in court and speak to the judge giving his professional opinion on the work. Good luck.
  9. statjunk

    statjunk DIY Senior Member

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    That sounds real bad. I agree with Mark on the drain. Really bad. Drywall in the shower also not the hot ticket.

    The only one on your list that I don't see being a problem is #8.

    Tom
  10. Verdeboy

    Verdeboy In the Trades

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    I'm just wondering why you and your buddy let them complete the project once you noticed all these flaws. Or were you too busy to pop your head in there once in a while?
  11. GregO

    GregO New Member

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    bitter

    I live an hour away and have been talking with my friend almost daily about things he'd report they're doing. He lets them in each morning and updates them on things that need to be addressed. We had to fight them just to get the midspan support installed and a presloped shower pan. This whole job is out of necessity for his father's use.

    These bad results have been addressed, making them less bad had he/we not been watching them daily. He works full time and is taking care of his father during his little free time. We were hoping/expecting that this contractor would step up and do things properly (um, professionally) without any additional oversight. I cringe when I think about the crap that some contractors pull over on ignorant homeowners. The company owner sold the job pretty well, but their "pros" did not deliver. This sucks.

    There is a meeting with the contractor coming.

    Thanks for the replies. Greg
  12. statjunk

    statjunk DIY Senior Member

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    And Contractors always think I'm a hard a$$ when I make them put everything in writing. They ask don't you trust us to do the job right. I say No everytime and they usually look at me and just keep writing.

    Tom
  13. catherine Landa

    catherine Landa New Member

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    I'm a huge fan of working drawings, all specs called out and a copy taped to the wall. At times it seems overly vigilant and costly, but it always saves me money and headaches.
  14. Old Dog

    Old Dog G.C. 22+ years(in 3 states)

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    bad job...

    Grego,
    These type of stories are always bad for the rest of us contractors...
    He's probably a licensed(?)/contractor salesman type with either little or no experience who hires others to do the work!(sometimes called paper tigers)

    You have to become a real harda** when dealing with this guy.Not insisting on permits being pulled for this scope of work is a huge mistake on your friends part.That means no plans/drawings,specs to refer too.They are basically flying by the "seat of their pants" and are about to crash!
    I would check to see if he does have a license(might be why he didn't pull permits.)
    I would see about getting a respected contractor or inspector to look at this.Get a handle on this mess first/sue him later!
    I've "baby sat" other contractors(?) for homeowners to make sure they did the job right.See if you can find some one willing to do it.I did it because I
    HATE hearing these stories.This type of crap reflects on all of us.
    I doubt whether this guy has the skill or the experience to make this right but maybe with some one keeping an eye on him you can still salvage this.
    Good luck and let us know how it goes...
  15. do a surpirse inspectin

    Tell me that you have not already paid this fellow in full and are afraid he will walk off the job if you
    get snotty???

    if you want to avoid messey troubles
    with this contractor, or you are reluctant to
    get into a screaming match or a fist fight.....,

    why dont you just call the local inspector and
    have him pay an un-announced visit???

    Get your stories straight and have him claim that he saw the trucks in the drive-way
    and wanted to see exactly what was going on..


    you intitally said that he had planned and promised
    to take out permits
    to do this job....then he did not do it...
    you should have stopped everything right there...

    that would be reason enough for me to bring out the big guns...
    he has already spit in your face....from the very onset of the job..
    .

    you cant just sit there like a deer stareing into headlights
    and hope that its all gonna be ok......


    just let the inspector do the dirty work for you

    and hold onto the MONEY...dont give him another dime..
    cause he is never gonna make it right..
    and he is never gonna come back once he gets his
    next draw from you.
    Last edited: Aug 28, 2007
  16. GregO

    GregO New Member

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    still bitter

    My buddy called me today with an update. Tile contractor had told him he would be using Redgard all the way up the wall to the showerhead/tile top. My buddy checked on it and asked the workers to show him the Redgard bucket. No redgard. Instead, he told me they used AcrylPro in lieu of the Redgard and to install the 12x12 tiles. I told him AcrylPro is no Redgard, and while it is labeled for tile installation, I would never recommend it nor use it in a shower, and it's a definite no-no for floors. Luckily, they did use Versabond for the floor tile.

    So, my buddy is really miffed and called the contractor to let him know that he has real issues with his quality control being non-existent and this as well being a real issue, rightfully so. The contractor agreed with him and is supposedly working to fix it. We'll see.

    Greg
  17. frenchie

    frenchie Jack of all trades

    I must have missed something.

    Why is this job still going forward?
  18. toolaholic

    toolaholic General Contractor Carpenter

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    From what You've said ,the cont. is incompetent. Yet the owner continues to use Him? He's hopeless! Now where do We come in? :rolleyes:
  19. sounds like a number of people have "problems" dealing with reality.

    When a contractor "agrees" in a situation like this, it probably means he is expecting to wheedle another check out of the old man before the son is even aware of it.

    The two family ("clients") have problems too. Maybe right now they don't have much respect for each other's ability to figure out what needs doing, how to specify it, and how to react when the opposite is done. The contractor just plays one off the other keeps on getting paid.

    David
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