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cool, thanks, that was what I was seeing, top just not quite meshing. I took Terry's advice and went wax ring. Seemed to go ok, still ironing out some leaks/kinks but hopeful.

This didn't post yesterday. Thanks for the reply. I saw your other thread on cracked glaze, etc on Norris toilets. I'm sol on replacing it for now and my glazing is still unblemished. I did get a wax ring, I appreciate your time. Also just saw you're in WA, can't promise any gain for ya...

Got a Norris brand toilet, 30yo condo, I'm a newb. But read Terry's suggestion on placing the fluidmaster on toilet and then into the pipe, gave that a try. Either on toilet or off, far as installing, either way toilet remains off the floor an inch or little less. I put the 4" sleeve into the...