where can I get a Bradford White gas water heater to install myself?

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  1. kalanikaau

    kalanikaau New Member

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    Jeez, I was going to install a shutoff valve on the hot side of the water heater also, but after watching the video, I think not........
    Thankfully (I hope) T&P's are reliable devices :eek:
     
  2. Ian Gills

    Ian Gills Senior Robin Hood Guy

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    This post is giving DIYers a bad name.

    Here is mine.....
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    And no, I do not need an expansion tank or earthquake straps or a floor drain. And I absolutely do not need a wooden crate (what was that?) to put it on.

    Notice how the copper shines as I slowly replace the old (but functioning) pipe with new stuff.
     
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  3. westcoastplumber

    westcoastplumber Plumbing Contractor

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    Straps required because of eqrthquakes here in california.

    Wood crate, being a stand, they come in metal, but this one was made, this "wood crate" is equal to a water heater stand, raises heater 18" off ground, required in a garage, UPC Code reg. keeps the fire box of the water heater supposedly away from explosive vapor

    Your T&P is not drained to an approved location, according to UPC. anytime it can cause flood damage, it needs to be drained to an approved location.

    Depends on where you live and you local codes.
     
  4. westcoastplumber

    westcoastplumber Plumbing Contractor

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    They are not, they are still a mechanical device. and they fail.

    But, they are better then nothing;) and in most cases do the job.:D
     
  5. Ian Gills

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    Thanks WestCoastPlumber. Since my basement is unfinished, the TPR valve is allowed to puke on the floor.
     
  6. westcoastplumber

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    Did it pass?? Did it? Did it???:D
     
  7. jimbo

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    This post has been going so long I forgot what state you are in. In CA, your statement is certainly not true.
     
  8. Master Plumber Mark

    Master Plumber Mark Sensitivity trainer and plumber of mens souls

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    pukeing on the floor

    Usually the heater wont puke on the floor
    untill a good number of years has passed by....

    the ones I have seen "puke" usually ruin something that
    has been laid on the floor months or years after the heater was installed......

    usually the home owenr hasnt gone done in the basement for a
    week or two and when he finds about 3 inches
    of water marinateing cordboard boxes full of old
    family treasures his wife put down there for safe keeping....

    then it hits the fan...

    and he wishes he had piped that t+p valve to a drain


    but that is life.......
     
  9. Redwood

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    Whatch think Mark? Should Gnatlee enter his Bradford White installation into your Pig Slop Plumbing Contest?

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  10. Redwood

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    I'd say its at least good for an honorable mention.
     
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  11. bredian

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    Please disclose your DIY work to any buyers!

    California here.

    If you do decide to install it yourself, please disclose that fact to any potential buyers as you have a responsibility for their safety.

    In CA, the work requires a permit.

    All plumbers, as well as electricians I believe, are required to be certified.

    I've gotten to the point where I like to see the licensee on the job for most trades.

    In CA, its only required that a home have a permit. There is so much cash trade done here that theres no guarantee that a home is assembled to any level of quality just because it passed a sample of inspections.

    I saw one home, unlicensed contractor, sold for about $1 mil, filed off serial numbers on appliances, roof tile spread too far, landscape and concrete above stucco screeds...etc. Theres nobody looking. Be careful out there!
     
  12. walkman

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    Nice how the lower strapping also provides extra storage for unused piping.


    I am concerned that the washer might 'bounce' into the gas fittings when it's overloaded. Hopefully something prevents contact.
     
  13. westcoastplumber

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    Did it Pass?? Did it?????Did It?????:confused:
     
  14. Master Plumber Mark

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    Flexible connectors category....

    Basically it will all work...useing flexible connectors...

    the fellow probably spend long hours putting
    that mess together......

    I think this mess falls into the category of

    "creative expression useing flexible connectors"....

    Its sort of like man vs plumbing....

    I can actuallly see and feel this fellows frustration ,,,,
    through all the bends and kinks in those flex connectors...
    his battle all day long against that water heater

    hand bending that hanger out of an old broom handle to
    hold up the expansioin tank.... I would love to look behind that exp.
    tank to see how it is nailed up to the wall......and the brass tee he used....beautiful....

    how many trips to Lowes would you guess he made before his eventual victory.????....

    his workmanship says it all... bravo.......this is Priceless artwork .......


    when you dont really know what you are doing but you
    cant admit that to your wife......and somehow you find
    the parts at lowes to finish the job.....is Priceless......



    the wood frame under the heater looks like something
    I would see around here....... I dont think that is even necessary
    in the basement either.......

    this work really moves me.....
    ..


    the earth quake straps look real good...
     
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  15. westcoastplumber

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    He should have had final inspection by now:mad:

    I wonder if it passed??:confused::confused:

    did it? did it? if it didn't, it won't be a suprise, atleast come back and tell us, and then attach a pic of the corrected version.;)
     
  16. Redwood

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    I really don't think its doing to be inspected...
    Shoulda been done by now...
    He's just gonna leave it as is,
     
  17. gnatlee

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    Hey Guys,

    It's great to see that people are so caring and concerned around here. I scheduled the inspection for monday, but had to reschedule because the inspector i got assigned to only does single family homes and multi-units with three units maxed. Since I live in a 4 unit townhome, i had to get another inspector. So I couldn't schedule one until next week. I promise, it'll get done. Had I not care, I wouldn't bother replying by now. So please hang in there. and no explosions yet.

    and thanks for the best pig slop nomination. I actually got a good laugh from the broomstick joke. as for the flex hose, I figured it's the best solution for ease of changing out the heater the next time around. as for the wooden base... this was the original wood frame underneath drywalling. The original stand was no more than a piece of 1/2 inch plywood for the top, and three drywall pieces for the sides with paint.

    I'll take more pictures next week of the back of the heater. It has about an 1/2 inch clearance (not much) so I think that the lower strap is fine the way it is. and of course, I'll take pictures of where the T/P drains to.

    have a good night.
     
  18. gnatlee

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    btw, it did take two more trips to before finishing the job. one to sears for some wrenches, and then to home depot for the pipe cutter. The one I got from lowes was a piece of crap.

    and one last question, are thermal expansion tanks necessary in california? i mean, if a professional licensed plumber was on the job installing water heaters, would they absolutely positively install one? after all, it's an important safety feature right?
     
  19. gnatlee

    gnatlee New Member

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    also,

    do you think that all licensed plumbers would install a drip leg? even ones in california?
     
  20. jimbo

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    Expansion tanks are not required by the CA plumbing code. Local codes enforcement in San Diego does not require them. But most WH manufacturers mention the possible need for them.

    The average water heater is higher BTU these days....40,000 as opposed to 36,000 or lower some years ago. This higher BTU causes faster recovery, making an expansion tank necessary where the heater being replaced got along without one.
     
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